[Blindmath] Computers and data analysis software

M Lakhani muzz.lakhani at googlemail.com
Tue Mar 11 01:48:59 UTC 2014



Hmm R is probably the best option on a mac & it's command line driven & free if you download it via macports or fink!
Jaws 15 works fine with Windows8.1 or you can try WindowEyes or even NVDA. 
I echo Michael's suggestions of Windows license for a mac. It's possible to install Windows via Bootcamp & then add it as a VM via fusion to get concurrent OS use or native hardware whichever suits the bill. VMWare has plenty of articles describing this.
Good luck on the new job!
MuzzSent from my iPhone

> On 6 Mar 2014, at 15:56, "Andy B." <sonfire11 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I suppose, even though it is behind the times a little... That is a topic
> for another day, and another list.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Whapples
> Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:18 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Computers and data analysis software
> 
> Yes I have also noticed the office license detection a bit suspect. It does
> seem to always get it when Word (assumably other office
> applications) are open. GWMicro did suggest doing something but that does
> not seem to have improved it (sorry I don't have exact details of what I did
> but you could also ask GW Micro for that information and make them aware of
> how much of an issue it is).
> 
> How well it would work with Java swing, not sure and why it may just be one
> option in one's toolbox (there is not really much reason not to have it if
> you have office 2010 or 2013, after all the cost is the disk space).
> 
> Michael Whapples
>> On 06/03/2014 14:01, Andy B. wrote:
>> Keep in mind that Window Eyes is broken with the Office 2010/2013
> offering.
>> It still times out after 30 minutes. Someone on another list told me 
>> to have office open when I start Window Eyes, but it is still broken. 
>> If SPS or SAS are written in mostly Swing components, I would hesitate 
>> using Window Eyes with it. I have had horrible success this way.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Michael Whapples
>> Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 4:04 AM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Computers and data analysis software
>> 
>> I would basically agree with that.
>> 
>> A few additional things to add.
>> * Remember with modern Macs you can install Windows on it as well 
>> (either in a virtual machine or directly on the system using bootcamp).
>> This means you can have the advantages of both platforms and just 
>> buying a Windows license isn't that much in the long term. Also you 
>> can choose which version of Windows to use.
>> * I know you mentioned Jaws, but don't forget about the WindowEyes and 
>> Office scheme which means you can get a free copy of WindowEyes on a 
>> system with Office 2010 or 2013 installed. You may want another screen 
>> reader but if you have one of those office versions then you may as 
>> well have WindowEyes to add to the toolkit.
>> 
>> Michael Whapples
>>> On 06/03/2014 04:37, Andy B. wrote:
>>> Windows 8/8.1 can be used completely from a keyboard. It does use a 
>>> touch interface, but no worries from a keyboard point of view. The 
>>> good thing is that JAWS 15 supports touch input. Of course, it is 
>>> limited in its gestures, but it's a good starting point. If for some 
>>> reason, you had to use a touch interface, and don't have a 
>>> touchscreen display, then you can turn on touch cursor in JAWS.
>>> I can't say much for SAS or SPS on either OS, but I do love my MAC. 
>>> It is a hard core fight between it and Windows. The only reason at 
>>> this point that I even use Windows is do to my degree program at school.
>>> All I can say, is to experiment a little. If SAS and SPS have trials, 
>>> download them for each platform, then take them through their paces. 
>>> I have found some things work better on a MAC than in Windows, and 
>>> other things work better in Windows than a MAC.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Arielle Silverman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 11:12 PM
>>> To: social-sciences-list at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Blindmath] Computers and data analysis software
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just got a postdoc at the University of Washington Department of 
>>> Rehabilitation Medicine which will start this summer! (Yay!) The job 
>>> will be data analysis-intensive. They will provide me a computer to 
>>> use in my office, but I will have to negotiate screen readers with 
>>> them, and I may decide to buy a second computer to do data analysis 
>>> at home. (My current data analysis computer is more than seven years 
>>> old and I can't trust it to meet my needs for much longer). For my 
>>> own computer, I prefer a portable one and the smaller the better.
>>> So I have a few questions about your experiences:
>>> 
>>> 1. Anyone had luck using SAS, SPSS or Mplus on a Mac with VoiceOver?
>>> Or if I go that route, should I buckle down and learn R?
>>> 
>>> 2. Anyone know if the current version of SAS (I think it's 9.4) is 
>>> still accessible? I've been using SAS 9.2 for years, and it's great, 
>>> but I've heard that the later versions of SAS put all kinds of 
>>> annoying graphs into the output. Is all that stuff still accessible 
>>> or
>> should I switch to SPSS?
>>> 3. How user-friendly is Windows 8 with the latest version of JAWS? I 
>>> hear Windows 8 involves some kind of touch input which scares me a bit.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any advice!
>>> Best,
>>> Arielle
>>> 
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