[Blindmath] advanced nemeth questions.

Thu Mar 12 17:46:06 UTC 2015

hmm, Jaws 16 doesn't read them on my laptop.  Can anything be done to make 
Jaws read these characters?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rasmussen, Lloyd via Blindmath
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:17 PM
To: 'Susan Osterhaus' ; 'Blind Math list for thoseinterested in mathematics'
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] advanced nemeth questions.

Thanks for posting that.
Window-Eyes 8.4 pronounces these special characters correctly if you go over 
them a character or a word at a time. If you run a braille display and 
activate UEB with contracted braille on, these render, I think correctly, in 
UEB.

Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Staff Engineer
National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, Library 
of Congress
Washington, DC 20542   202-707-0535
http://www.loc.gov/nls/
The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of 
the Library of Congress, NLS.

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From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Susan 
Osterhaus via Blindmath
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:01 PM
To: Sarah Jevnikar; Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics; 
derek riemer
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] advanced nemeth questions.

There exists is a two-cell symbol: dot 4 followed by dots 1,2,3,4,5,6 (dot 
4, full cell).  ∃ For all is another two-cell symbol: dot 4, followed by 
dots 1,2,3,4,6 (dot
4, and).        ∀
Therefore is a two-cell symbol: dot 6, followed by dots 1,6 (looks very much 
like the print version) - this is different from what was stated earlier.  ∴
Such that was stated correctly before: dots 1,2,5,6.    |

I agree with Sarah that the only thing I can think of would be "element of" 
for "in" or dot 4, followed by dots 1,5. However, if you could forward us a 
"print" version of the symbol I could verify that more easily.

Many symbols can actually be copied and pasted and stay intact with the 
right software installed. I've illustrated this after each symbol above if 
it made it through on your computer. My screen reader won't read the print 
symbol though!! <grin> So this is only for readers with enough vision to see 
it.

Susan

-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah 
Jevnikar via Blindmath
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:43 AM
To: 'derek riemer'; 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] advanced nemeth questions.

I think "in" would be "element of" which is 4,1-5. (an e preceded by a dot 
4).

-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of derek 
riemer via Blindmath
Sent: March-12-15 12:17 AM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: [Blindmath] advanced nemeth questions.

How would I write these symbols in nemeth?
forall,
in
suchthat
there exists
therefore

An example, even though it is kind of pointless.
Forall x in [1,2,3,...,n] there exists a c such that [c*1,c*2,...,c*n] = 
[1,2,...,n] therefore c = 1.
Thanks,
Derek
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