[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 117, Issue 10
Zach
zm290 at msstate.edu
Wed Apr 27 00:30:02 UTC 2016
I'm assuming you're using math encoded in MathML with MathJax in IE 11 with JAWS. This websight may be helpful to your student if you haven't seen it already. http://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/2014-11-05_mathml/02_MathMLWithJAWS.htm I am available to consult with you or your student if necessary.
Zachary Mason
M.S. Student
Animal and Dairy Sciences
Mississippi State University
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 117, Issue 10
Good Day,
I would like to thank you all and who ever have tried to help and suggested solutions. I'm really grateful.
I have tried almost every solution that was suggested; nevertheless, I was not successful to make the screen reader read character-by-character or element-by-element. I have tried both JAWS and NVDA, and used them with IE 11, Firefox, and MS word directly.
What the student needs is to make the screen reader read character-by-character. For example: X2 – 5x = -6 The following is the desired sequence:
1. Click right arrow, or Ctrl with right arrow or any other key
2. Screen reader says: X. or x squared
3. Click right arrow, or Ctrl with right arrow
4. Screen reader says: squared
5. Click right arrow, or Ctrl with right arrow
6. Screen reader says: minus 5. or just minus, then the next click it
would say 5.
7. Click right arrow, or Ctrl with right arrow
8. Screen reader says: equal
9. Click right arrow, or Ctrl with right arrow
10. Screen reader says: minus 6, or just minus, then the next click it
would say 6.
Currently, the screen reader would read the complete equation with one click, but there are many equations that are longer with more complicated math symbols including square root of square root, and sigma from a start to an end, and so forth.
It would be so great if there is a suggestion to help achieve that.
Thanks so much,
Khaleel
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> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 07:17:12 -0700
> From: Karen Sorensen <karen.sorensen at pcc.edu>
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> Subject: [Blindmath] JAWS reading Math equations element by element
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> Hi Steve and Khaleel,
> Steve, great explanation of what combination of AT, browser and add-on
> is necessary to read math.
> So what do you suggest the student use to write math? This is an issue
> that has confounded us. MathType isn't accessible for a screen reader
> user to write math with.
> Here are some ideas we have compiled (some from this listserv), but
> none are ideal:
>
> - Talking graphing calculator - does it output what's written with the
> calculator to the computer? Is it a complete solution? Probably not.
> - Excel may be a viable solution in some cases, at least in Stats.
> - ASCII code, but instructor has to agree to the code choices. An agreed
> upon ASCII set would need to be defined.
> - Braille display or Perkins brailler, but will probably need to be
> converted to math that's readable by a sighted instructor
> - LaTeX, but learning LaTeX is a commitment (you can also write LaTeX in
> MathType, and therefore only have to write the math portion of
> LaTeX, not
> the layout. It also is in a popular word doc format, but is difficult to
> avoid errors (from John Gardner's post on math listserv. John is a
> former
> physics instructor at Oregon State and the owner of ViewPlus in
> Corvallis,
> OR)
> - Other recommendations by John Gardner in Blindmath listserv post on
> 3-16-16 (words are John's not mine):
> - "Use MathType and compose equations in LEAN. LEAN is something I
> wrote myself, and it works extremely well in audio, but the
> current version
> has bugs in the braille output. Write me if you'd like to
> join the beta
> list and use it in audio. Much more compact than Latex - I
> find I can write
> math faster than any sighted person using any computer
> application (but not
> as fast as a person using a pencil yet. LEAN is free for
> blind users.
> - Use ChattyInfty. Available from the Japanese Infty group at
> their commercial web site:
> http://www.sciaccess.net
> Chatty works well and can output in several formats including MS
> Word. But it is expensive."
> - Pearson's accessible braille editor
> <http://accessibility.pearson.com/mathex-app/> tested with a
> refreshable braille display and found it promising. There were some
> issues
> with the display not refreshing until we navigated away from the
> page and
> returned.
>
> Have any other ideas?
> Thank you!
> Karen
> Karen M. Sorensen
> Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland
> Community College
> 971-722-4720
> Twitter: @ksorensun
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 10:39:36 -0400
> From: Shannon Pruitt <sdpruitt99 at yahoo.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karen Sorensen <karen.sorensen at pcc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] JAWS reading Math equations element by
> element
> Message-ID: <A321EE1D-EFD5-46B1-9048-A7F51389C11E at yahoo.com>
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>
> I would suggest that the student either learn Latex Or go old school
> with the Perkins Brailler.
>
> There is however an option with Duxbury to write on Nemeth and
> backtranslate to word but the Braille would have to be error free.
>
>
>
> > On Apr 19, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Karen Sorensen via Blindmath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve and Khaleel,
> > Steve, great explanation of what combination of AT, browser and
> > add-on is necessary to read math.
> > So what do you suggest the student use to write math? This is an
> > issue
> that
> > has confounded us. MathType isn't accessible for a screen reader
> > user to write math with.
> > Here are some ideas we have compiled (some from this listserv), but
> > none are ideal:
> >
> > - Talking graphing calculator - does it output what's written with the
> > calculator to the computer? Is it a complete solution? Probably not.
> > - Excel may be a viable solution in some cases, at least in Stats.
> > - ASCII code, but instructor has to agree to the code choices. An
> agreed
> > upon ASCII set would need to be defined.
> > - Braille display or Perkins brailler, but will probably need to be
> > converted to math that's readable by a sighted instructor
> > - LaTeX, but learning LaTeX is a commitment (you can also write
> > LaTeX
> in
> > MathType, and therefore only have to write the math portion of
> > LaTeX,
> not
> > the layout. It also is in a popular word doc format, but is
> > difficult
> to
> > avoid errors (from John Gardner's post on math listserv. John is a
> former
> > physics instructor at Oregon State and the owner of ViewPlus in
> Corvallis,
> > OR)
> > - Other recommendations by John Gardner in Blindmath listserv
> > post
> on
> > 3-16-16 (words are John's not mine):
> > - "Use MathType and compose equations in LEAN. LEAN is
> > something
> I
> > wrote myself, and it works extremely well in audio, but the
> > current version
> > has bugs in the braille output. Write me if you'd like to
> > join the beta
> > list and use it in audio. Much more compact than Latex - I
> > find I can write
> > math faster than any sighted person using any computer
> > application (but not
> > as fast as a person using a pencil yet. LEAN is free for
> > blind
> users.
> > - Use ChattyInfty. Available from the Japanese Infty group at
> > their commercial web site:
> > http://www.sciaccess.net
> > Chatty works well and can output in several formats including MS
> > Word. But it is expensive."
> > - Pearson's accessible braille editor
> > <http://accessibility.pearson.com/mathex-app/> tested with a
> > refreshable braille display and found it promising. There were
> > some
> issues
> > with the display not refreshing until we navigated away from the
> > page
> and
> > returned.
> >
> > Have any other ideas?
> > Thank you!
> > Karen
> > Karen M. Sorensen
> > Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access
> > Portland Community College
> > 971-722-4720
> > Twitter: @ksorensun
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:04:02 +0000
> From: steve.noble at louisville.edu
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karen Sorensen <karen.sorensen at pcc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] JAWS reading Math equations element by
> element
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> Hi Karen,
>
> At the time being there are a variety of methods, none being fully
> complete or without some limitations. Indeed, you have mentioned many
> of them, including Pearson's accessible equation editor which is not
> yet fully developed or readily available. But hear are a few
> additional angles to consider in addition to the ones you mentioned.
>
> One method is to use MathType set to accept LaTeX math expressions
> entered from the keyboard and then use MathType's toggle-tex command
> to convert the expression to a MathType equation which NVDA plus
> MathPlayer can read. That method can also be an aid to the blind
> student learning LaTeX, as he/she will be able to quickly hear what
> was written in standard math speech, and then toggle back to tex to
> further edit or correct the expression. I suspect that process would
> be far from foolproof, but it may be a serviceable method.
>
> Another possibility would be to use the gh product called MathHear:
> https://www.gh-accessibility.com/software/mathhear. It is designed so
> that math teachers can create worksheets, quizzes and tests and blind
> students (well...any student for that matter) can enter their work,
> save the document and send it back.
>
> Yet another angle to consider is the WIRIS equation editor.
> http://www.wiris.com/en/ It is accessible, though I have not had any
> direct feedback from blind individuals who have tried using it to do
> math in an educational setting. Theoretically, it could be hooked up
> to a Learning Management System, and their website specifically
> mentions Canvas, Moodle, Sakai and others, but I have no feedback from
> those who have done this.
>
>
>
> --Steve Noble
> steve.noble at louisville.edu
> 502-969-3088
> http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Blindmath [blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Karen
> Sorensen via Blindmath [blindmath at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 10:17 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Karen Sorensen
> Subject: [Blindmath] JAWS reading Math equations element by element
>
> Hi Steve and Khaleel,
> Steve, great explanation of what combination of AT, browser and add-on
> is necessary to read math.
> So what do you suggest the student use to write math? This is an issue
> that has confounded us. MathType isn't accessible for a screen reader
> user to write math with.
> Here are some ideas we have compiled (some from this listserv), but
> none are ideal:
>
> - Talking graphing calculator - does it output what's written with the
> calculator to the computer? Is it a complete solution? Probably not.
> - Excel may be a viable solution in some cases, at least in Stats.
> - ASCII code, but instructor has to agree to the code choices. An agreed
> upon ASCII set would need to be defined.
> - Braille display or Perkins brailler, but will probably need to be
> converted to math that's readable by a sighted instructor
> - LaTeX, but learning LaTeX is a commitment (you can also write LaTeX in
> MathType, and therefore only have to write the math portion of
> LaTeX, not
> the layout. It also is in a popular word doc format, but is difficult to
> avoid errors (from John Gardner's post on math listserv. John is a
> former
> physics instructor at Oregon State and the owner of ViewPlus in
> Corvallis,
> OR)
> - Other recommendations by John Gardner in Blindmath listserv post on
> 3-16-16 (words are John's not mine):
> - "Use MathType and compose equations in LEAN. LEAN is something I
> wrote myself, and it works extremely well in audio, but the
> current version
> has bugs in the braille output. Write me if you'd like to
> join the beta
> list and use it in audio. Much more compact than Latex - I
> find I can write
> math faster than any sighted person using any computer
> application (but not
> as fast as a person using a pencil yet. LEAN is free for
> blind users.
> - Use ChattyInfty. Available from the Japanese Infty group at
> their commercial web site:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sciaccess.net&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=IL0NQJ4lPeiLZdAxV3VZ_lPXuzkSv3mv4JtZzsQ0e-g&s=6SA8XAieeHsIl1Tq3IfZVOHiWOe4kqhkNa_xHw2CNAg&e=
> Chatty works well and can output in several formats including MS
> Word. But it is expensive."
> - Pearson's accessible braille editor
> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__accessibility.pear
> son.com_mathex-2Dapp_&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2
> bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=IL0NQJ4lPeiLZdA
> xV3VZ_lPXuzkSv3mv4JtZzsQ0e-g&s=2ZgepD_TSQga1kacI6_UnM5a7UKjUSAyCKIX-aN
> 0bZ4&e=
> > tested with a
> refreshable braille display and found it promising. There were some
> issues
> with the display not refreshing until we navigated away from the
> page and
> returned.
>
> Have any other ideas?
> Thank you!
> Karen
> Karen M. Sorensen
> Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland
> Community College
> 971-722-4720
> Twitter: @ksorensun
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 16:43:02 -0700
> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] JAWS reading Math equations element by
> element
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> Hello Karen,
> I use python just for myself. It is the same language as notation and
> works as a calculator when you run the math through the interpreter.
> It also is super easy with just a few symbols and function names
> needing to be memorized.
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Karen Sorensen via Blindmath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Steve and Khaleel,
> > Steve, great explanation of what combination of AT, browser and
> > add-on is necessary to read math.
> > So what do you suggest the student use to write math? This is an
> > issue
> that
> > has confounded us. MathType isn't accessible for a screen reader
> > user to write math with.
> > Here are some ideas we have compiled (some from this listserv), but
> > none are ideal:
> >
> > - Talking graphing calculator - does it output what's written with the
> > calculator to the computer? Is it a complete solution? Probably not.
> > - Excel may be a viable solution in some cases, at least in Stats.
> > - ASCII code, but instructor has to agree to the code choices. An
> agreed
> > upon ASCII set would need to be defined.
> > - Braille display or Perkins brailler, but will probably need to be
> > converted to math that's readable by a sighted instructor
> > - LaTeX, but learning LaTeX is a commitment (you can also write
> > LaTeX
> in
> > MathType, and therefore only have to write the math portion of
> > LaTeX, not
> > the layout. It also is in a popular word doc format, but is
> > difficult
> to
> > avoid errors (from John Gardner's post on math listserv. John is
> > a former
> > physics instructor at Oregon State and the owner of ViewPlus in
> > Corvallis,
> > OR)
> > - Other recommendations by John Gardner in Blindmath listserv
> > post
> on
> > 3-16-16 (words are John's not mine):
> > - "Use MathType and compose equations in LEAN. LEAN is
> something I
> > wrote myself, and it works extremely well in audio, but the
> > current version
> > has bugs in the braille output. Write me if you'd like to
> > join the beta
> > list and use it in audio. Much more compact than Latex - I
> > find I can write
> > math faster than any sighted person using any computer
> > application (but not
> > as fast as a person using a pencil yet. LEAN is free for
> > blind users.
> > - Use ChattyInfty. Available from the Japanese Infty group at
> > their commercial web site:
> > http://www.sciaccess.net
> > Chatty works well and can output in several formats including MS
> > Word. But it is expensive."
> > - Pearson's accessible braille editor
> > <http://accessibility.pearson.com/mathex-app/> tested with a
> > refreshable braille display and found it promising. There were
> > some issues
> > with the display not refreshing until we navigated away from the
> > page and
> > returned.
> >
> > Have any other ideas?
> > Thank you!
> > Karen
> > Karen M. Sorensen
> > Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access
> > Portland Community College
> > 971-722-4720
> > Twitter: @ksorensun
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blindmath mailing list
> > Blindmath at nfbnet.org
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> > for
> > Blindmath:
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> >
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> gs%40gmail.com
> > BlindMath Gems can be found at <
> > http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 12:56:58 +0200
> From: Niels Luithardt <niels.luithardt at googlemail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] JAWS reading Math equations element by
> element
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>
> Hi Karen,
>
> in Germany the Students lern Latex. At school the pupils lern latex
> too. But not "normal latex". They lern "Latex light"
>
>
> It exists a Manual How to write Schoolbooks in Latex.
>
> It is not beautiful, but no one can the mathematical braile Code.
>
> Since 2015 exists an new Braille Code f?r Math in Germany but no
> teacher can the code and no teacher can explain the Code...
>
>
> Regards
>
> Niels
>
>
> -
>
> 2016-04-19 16:17 GMT+02:00, Karen Sorensen via Blindmath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org>:
> > Hi Steve and Khaleel,
> > Steve, great explanation of what combination of AT, browser and
> > add-on is necessary to read math.
> > So what do you suggest the student use to write math? This is an
> > issue
> that
> > has confounded us. MathType isn't accessible for a screen reader
> > user to write math with.
> > Here are some ideas we have compiled (some from this listserv), but
> > none are ideal:
> >
> > - Talking graphing calculator - does it output what's written with the
> > calculator to the computer? Is it a complete solution? Probably not.
> > - Excel may be a viable solution in some cases, at least in Stats.
> > - ASCII code, but instructor has to agree to the code choices. An
> agreed
> > upon ASCII set would need to be defined.
> > - Braille display or Perkins brailler, but will probably need to be
> > converted to math that's readable by a sighted instructor
> > - LaTeX, but learning LaTeX is a commitment (you can also write
> > LaTeX
> in
> > MathType, and therefore only have to write the math portion of
> > LaTeX, not
> > the layout. It also is in a popular word doc format, but is
> > difficult
> to
> > avoid errors (from John Gardner's post on math listserv. John is
> > a former
> > physics instructor at Oregon State and the owner of ViewPlus in
> > Corvallis,
> > OR)
> > - Other recommendations by John Gardner in Blindmath listserv
> > post
> on
> > 3-16-16 (words are John's not mine):
> > - "Use MathType and compose equations in LEAN. LEAN is
> something I
> > wrote myself, and it works extremely well in audio, but the
> > current version
> > has bugs in the braille output. Write me if you'd like to
> > join the beta
> > list and use it in audio. Much more compact than Latex - I
> > find I can write
> > math faster than any sighted person using any computer
> > application (but not
> > as fast as a person using a pencil yet. LEAN is free for
> > blind users.
> > - Use ChattyInfty. Available from the Japanese Infty group at
> > their commercial web site:
> > http://www.sciaccess.net
> > Chatty works well and can output in several formats including MS
> > Word. But it is expensive."
> > - Pearson's accessible braille editor
> > <http://accessibility.pearson.com/mathex-app/> tested with a
> > refreshable braille display and found it promising. There were
> > some issues
> > with the display not refreshing until we navigated away from the
> > page and
> > returned.
> >
> > Have any other ideas?
> > Thank you!
> > Karen
> > Karen M. Sorensen
> > Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access
> > Portland Community College
> > 971-722-4720
> > Twitter: @ksorensun
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:15:47 +0200
> From: Niels Luithardt <niels.luithardt at googlemail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] JAWS reading Math equations element by
> element
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>
> Hi,
>
> here is the new mathematical Braille Code for Germany:
>
> http://www.bskdl.org/mathematik.html
>
> The Problem:
>
>
> It doesn't exist any software to print the new Braile code - to
> convert into the Code. Only a few Teacher know the new code.
>
> Here is the Manual for Schoolbooks in Germany:
>
>
> http://www.bezreg-arnsberg.nrw.de/themen/f/fibs/weitere_hilfen/latex-f
> ibs.pdf
>
>
> Regards
>
> Niels
>
> 20016-04-20 1:43 GMT+02:00, Brandon Keith Biggs via Blindmath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>:
> > Hello Karen,
> > I use python just for myself. It is the same language as notation
> > and
> works
> > as a calculator when you run the math through the interpreter.
> > It also is super easy with just a few symbols and function names
> > needing
> to
> > be memorized.
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Karen Sorensen via Blindmath <
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Steve and Khaleel,
> >> Steve, great explanation of what combination of AT, browser and
> >> add-on
> is
> >> necessary to read math.
> >> So what do you suggest the student use to write math? This is an
> >> issue that has confounded us. MathType isn't accessible for a
> >> screen reader user to write math with.
> >> Here are some ideas we have compiled (some from this listserv), but
> >> none are ideal:
> >>
> >> - Talking graphing calculator - does it output what's written
> >> with
> the
> >> calculator to the computer? Is it a complete solution? Probably not.
> >> - Excel may be a viable solution in some cases, at least in Stats.
> >> - ASCII code, but instructor has to agree to the code choices.
> >> An agreed
> >> upon ASCII set would need to be defined.
> >> - Braille display or Perkins brailler, but will probably need to be
> >> converted to math that's readable by a sighted instructor
> >> - LaTeX, but learning LaTeX is a commitment (you can also write
> >> LaTeX in
> >> MathType, and therefore only have to write the math portion of
> >> LaTeX, not
> >> the layout. It also is in a popular word doc format, but is
> >> difficult to
> >> avoid errors (from John Gardner's post on math listserv. John is
> >> a former
> >> physics instructor at Oregon State and the owner of ViewPlus in
> >> Corvallis,
> >> OR)
> >> - Other recommendations by John Gardner in Blindmath listserv
> >> post on
> >> 3-16-16 (words are John's not mine):
> >> - "Use MathType and compose equations in LEAN. LEAN is
> something
> >> I
> >> wrote myself, and it works extremely well in audio, but
> >> the current version
> >> has bugs in the braille output. Write me if you'd like to
> >> join the beta
> >> list and use it in audio. Much more compact than Latex - I
> >> find I can write
> >> math faster than any sighted person using any computer
> >> application (but not
> >> as fast as a person using a pencil yet. LEAN is free for
> >> blind users.
> >> - Use ChattyInfty. Available from the Japanese Infty group at
> >> their commercial web site:
> >> http://www.sciaccess.net
> >> Chatty works well and can output in several formats
> >> including
> MS
> >> Word. But it is expensive."
> >> - Pearson's accessible braille editor
> >> <http://accessibility.pearson.com/mathex-app/> tested with a
> >> refreshable braille display and found it promising. There were
> >> some issues
> >> with the display not refreshing until we navigated away from the
> >> page and
> >> returned.
> >>
> >> Have any other ideas?
> >> Thank you!
> >> Karen
> >> Karen M. Sorensen
> >> Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access
> >> Portland Community College
> >> 971-722-4720
> >> Twitter: @ksorensun
> >> _______________________________________________
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