[BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual Math to Less Visual Math

Tue Apr 4 04:10:11 UTC 2017

> I have been told that the next model will be less expensive, possibly costing less than
> US$100,000.

Does anyone else find the absurdity as funny as I do?

At possibly less than $100000 no one will buy them, not even agencies
for the blind. So all that effort went to produce something that no
one will ever use.

On 4/3/17, John Gardner via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> This hyperbraille device exists - I have seen it at the Sight City show in
> Frankfurt. However if it is for sale, that does seem to be a deep secret. I
> have been told that the next model will be less expensive, possibly costing
> less than US$100,000. It is a bit smaller than an 8.5x11 paper and has
> resolution of approximately 0.10 inch - which is okay for braille though
> with more than the usual inter-cell spacing. I do not know anything about
> supporting software. My advice is not to hold your breath waiting for it to
> come to market. At best it will never be something that the average blind
> user can afford. I do not believe that the technology can be scaled to be
> inexpensive at any volume.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Niels
> Luithardt via BlindMath
> Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 11:56 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Niels Luithardt <niels.luithardt at googlemail.com>; John Gardner
> <gardnerj at oregonstate.edu>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual Math to Less
> Visual Math
>
> Hi,
>
> here is a Link to "Hyperbraille":
>
> http://www.hyperbraille.de/?lang=en
>
> I hope it helps
>
> Kind regards
>
> Niels
>
> 2017-04-03 18:13 GMT+02:00, White, Jason J via BlindMath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>:
>> So far as I know, braille displays with multiple lines of text do not
>> exist (except perhaps as research prototypes). As I recall,
>> Pappenmeier used to have (and perhaps still sell) displays with
>> vertical components offering a small number of cells that can serve to
>> provide navigation support, but they're not full lines of text that can be
>> used for reading.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Derek Scott Riemer via BlindMath
>>> Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 12:08 PM
>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Derek Scott Riemer <Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu>; John Gardner
>>> <gardnerj at oregonstate.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual Math to
>>> Less Visual Math
>>>
>>> No screen reader on the market knows how to work with multiple line
>>> braille displays as of this time.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 7:59 PM, John Gardner via BlindMath <
>>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi, I am unaware of any braille displays with more than one line.
>>> > Do you have references? One word of caution. Having multiple lines
>>> > is useful only if the software displays information the way it
>>> > needs to be displayed semantically. This is not at all automatic,
>>> > so even if you spent a lot of money to purchase a multiple-line
>>> > display, it could be not very useful if the lines are not properly
>>> > aligned. I don't even know how to ask the right questions to find out.
>>> >
>>> > John
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> > Nicholas J via BlindMath
>>> > Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 12:33 PM
>>> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>> > Cc: Nicholas J <314nick15 at gmail.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Transitioning from Completely Visual Math
>>> > to Less Visual Math
>>> >
>>> > Thank you to everyone for all the help. I was looking at different
>>> > braille displays and saw some that are one, two, three, or four lines.
>>> > How many lines would be the best for statistics? I was told before
>>> > that one line may not be enough for proofs or long problems that
>>> > would need different parts to be seen at once. I wasn't sure if
>>> > even two, three, or four is enough, but it seems like there is the
>>> > choice for only one through four lines. How good will I need to be
>>> > in braille before I can
>>> use it for statistics?
>>> >
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Nicholas
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Nicholas J <314nick15 at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hello,
>>> > >
>>> > > I’m considering doing a Master’s in statistics, but I do not want
>>> > > to go back to the technology that I used before. I used a cctv to
>>> > > view the board and zoomtext as a screen magnifier. All the cctvs
>>> > > I have used have still left me not able to see what was happening
>>> > > in most of my classes before and zoomtext made things slower for
>>> > > me because of so much magnification. Right now I am transitioning
>>> > > to using Jaws for the computer, but I am not sure what to do for
>>> > > things like the boards in classes, writing, and things like that.
>>> > > I don’t write notes because I am slow at it since I have to write
>>> > > big and I usually still can’t understand what I wrote because of
>>> > > how quickly I wrote it and how unreadable it is. I have been
>>> > > looking at doing things in braille, but am not sure if that is
>>> > > the best way to go. I thought it might take a lot of time also to
>>> > > learn it. I still think it may be helpful in some situations
>>> > > (maybe graphics which I could almost never discern correctly the
>>> > > more complicated they got). I have been reading through all the
>>> > > posts here about latex and having Jaws read them and other kinds
>>> > > of technologies, but I am not sure what kinds of technology are
>>> > > best for the transition of doing everything visually to doing
>>> > > things less visually. My vision has always stayed the same, but
>>> > > the field I am
>>> > working in is statistics and it gets very small and specific for
>>> > notation and everything.
>>> > > Main Question: What technology and how can I do math more
>>> > > electronically and less visually? I am learning Jaws, braille,
>>> > > and
>>> > Kurzweil.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Thank you,
>>> > >
>>> > > Nicholas
>>> > >
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