[Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: Reintroducing myself and beta test opportunity for new STEM accessibility service.

Wed Feb 8 17:25:24 UTC 2017

Hi Dániel,

I'm curious about your comment regarding obtaining a textbook from the
author in LaTeX or xml formats. If an author is able to provide his text
in either of these formats, would a student using Jaws or VoiceOver be
able to read the textbook and understand all the math content within?
I'm not at all familiar with LaTeX, so am not quite sure how this would
work. What would be needed if a LaTeX of the text could be obtained?
Math Player? Another software program? Do most authors of STEM textbooks
have a LaTeX or xml format of their textbooks? Would an xml format be
able to be read using a screen reader?

Lots of questions, I know, but, thanks for any information you can
provide.

Russell

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>>> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> 2017-02-07 4:07
AM >>>
Dear Lukasz,

Excellent question. This is a topic that can not be fully explored
within an e-mail but let me perhaps give a few key points that worked
for me:
* First and foremost, let*s establish that screen magnification and
screen reading have very different requirements, which of course can
often complement each other.
* For writing, reading and editing mathematical content, let it be
lecture notes, assessments and so on, I believe it is inevitable to be
familiar the LaTeX markup language, and for screen reading purposes use
for instance the LaTeX Access Project under Windows, which I am most
people from this list are familiar with. It is good practise to provide
lecture notes in LaTeX for this reason, which I know some UK Maths and
Physics departments do.
* I think it is also very important to have a basic understanding of
how for instance JAWS for Windows and Voice Over can read MathML
content, or other screen readers using products like MathPlayer by
Design Science; and be aware of online resources such as, DLMF (Digital
Library of Mathematical Functions) developed by NIST, which provide
high-level content both in LaTeX and MathML formats.
* Finding accessible mathematics books is a different chapter, often
very difficult. Approaching authors, perhaps instead of publishers might
speed up and increase chances of finding alternative formats of eBooks
such as, LaTeX or XML instead of PDF. Daisy with MathML is an option,
but I haven*t seen many examples for that yet.
* It is good practise to have a high-standard calculator, e.g. the
APH + Orbit Research developed Orion Texas Instrument audio-graphing
display calculator. Equally, it is important to do these sort of
computations or graph sketching on non GUI programmes, such as Python.
The audio graphing calculator or alternative sonification software such
as the vOICe can help students visualise the shape and trends of curves,
functions, limits. While using Python or other interpreted languages
enable students to sketch their own graphs fairly easily and have higher
control over the output, than for instance Ms Excel, which on occasions
might be a little inconvenient for this purpose.
* Tactile Graphics embossers such as View+ Technologies provides can
also help in the students understanding of graphs; however, this is
something that needs practise and a fair amount of time to learn to
use.
* Obviously, not only the technical but the human support element is
also rather relevant to be successful as a vision impaired maths or STEM
student. Standards such as extra time for exams, assessments, additional
office hours or someone who can help with taking notes from the
blackboard if appropriate and necessary. We can not ignore the fact,
that no matter how fluent someone is in using any of the above technical
solutions, it will always take longer to view, or read, write a markup
language, a graph etc.

There are additional software solutions and accessibility concerns for
instance with regards to the Infty Project to OCR mathematical documents
in order to access further resources, or the often quoted accessibility
questions around mathematical software such as MatLab, Wolfram
Mathematica  etc. How efficient these technologies are always a question
one needs to evaluate.

As I said this is just scraping the top of the ice-mountain, and there
are many details, other options; but I hope this is a good overview for
a starter and can trigger some further questions, conversations.  The
above are my practises, experiences from the few years of being a blind
scientist and I am sure, as many students, teachers, educators, support
workers there are concerned in this field, there are just as many,
slightly different ways of approaching the same challenge.

Daniel 
> On 6 Feb 2017, at 23:00, *ukasz Grabowski via Blindmath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Daniel,
> 
> This is not directly related to your email to blindmath email group.
I'm
> a maths lecturer at Lancaster university (sighted). I was wondering
if
> you could tell me how do you learn advanced, university level,
maths?
> 
> I'm preparing some accessible lecture notes for a visually impaired
> student at my institution. She currently reads the lecture notes on
a
> very high zoom level, but I'd be very keen to hear from succesful
maths
> students how do they cope, in order to potentially improve our
> approach.
> 
> Best,
> Lukasz
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 22:25:25 +0000
> Dániel Hajas via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Lucas, Zach,
>> 
>> Lucas, thanks for your quick introduction. I don*t see why you
>> wouldn*t be able to help as an undergraduate, especially with the
>> great qualifications and skills you have been gathering during your
>> degree. In fact, I would be happy if you could help with trying out
>> IRIS and letting the Grapheel team know if you think it would
assist
>> you during your science learning, and if not, how it could be
changed
>> to be more useful. It*s great you*ve done physics and chemistry.
IRIS
>> currently supports maths, physics, and to a lower extent biology
and
>> chemistry. However, in the near future, computer science and
finances
>> support should be added.
>> 
>> If you are happy to try IRIS, either let me know, or even better if
>> you drop a line to contact at grapheel.com 
>> <mailto:contact at grapheel.com>, and I am sure the IRIS developers
will
>> get back to you soon with details.
>> 
>> You really don*t need to thank me for proposing the initiative, I
>> simply encountered challenges that I believe still need solutions,
>> and we try to create these solutions in the best way we can.
>> 
>> Zach, thanks for the enthusiastic reply, I*ll get back to you on
that
>> in a private message, to save the list members some irrelevant
>> reading. If you don*t hear from me in the next 1-2 days, please
send
>> me a reminder in a private mail.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> Daniel 
>> 
>>> On 6 Feb 2017, at 16:11, Lucas Nadolskis via Blindmath
>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Dr. Hajas.
>>> 
>>> I am currently a student of computer  science at the University of
>>> Minnesota. I needed to take physics, and calculus   courses last
>>> year and I am currently taking chemistry and linear algebra. I
>>> encountered numerous issues either on the past and on the current
>>> semester on accessibility on  this area of study.
>>> 
>>> So first I want to thank you for this idea of making the study of
>>> science and engineering  more accessible for blind students. If
you
>>> think that me as a undergraduate student may help on the project I
>>> would be extremely glade to help in any ways that i can.
>>> 
>>> Thank you again.
>>> 
>>> Best regards.
>>> 
>>> Lucas Nadolskis.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Dániel Hajas via Blindmath
>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> 
>>>> Let me reintroduce myself, as probably the memory of my person
>>>> faded on this list, since I have to confess, I haven*t been
>>>> posting or regularly reading the conversation going on between
the
>>>> BlindMath list members, even though I am signed up for a number
of
>>>> years and always found the knowledge exchange of the list very
>>>> valuable, supportive and a friendly place. Personal and work
>>>> related pressure prevented me from participating in this
community
>>>> in the past year, year and a half, which I wish to change now and
>>>> catch up with all the unread e-mails, contribute with anything I
>>>> can to new topics. As part of my reintroduction, please also
allow
>>>> me to bring your attention to a new STEM accessibility service.
>>>> You can read more about it as well, and if you wish to
participate
>>>> and help shaping the service  with your feedback and insights,
>>>> please let the developer team or myself know about it.
>>>> 
>>>> Now to the point:
>>>> 
>>>> I am Daniel Hajas, a blind theoretical physicist at the
University
>>>> of Sussex, England; and founder of Grapheel, (www.grapheel.com)
>>>> which is a initiative to enhance accessibility of science
>>>> education for people with special needs, using a set of online
>>>> services, hardware products and public engagement activities,
>>>> partnering with other organisations to make scientific content
>>>> more accessible.
>>>> 
>>>> As part of the Grapheel initiative, me and a small team are
>>>> designing an online, science community based image description
>>>> service (called IRIS) to enhance the study experience of blind
and
>>>> visually impaired students in their education. Initially we would
>>>> like to focus on STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering,
>>>> Mathematics) education, but later expand to subjects at arts and
>>>> humanities and support image descriptions of financial graphs, or
>>>> wave form visualisations in music editing. 
>>>> 
>>>> As we are at a very early stage of development, we would highly
>>>> appreciate insights and feedback from the blind community
familiar
>>>> with accessibility considerations and state-of-the-art products
>>>> and services. In particular, I would be grateful if  members of
>>>> this community could test and advise us on how to improve the
>>>> service (please read more about it below). We have a feature
>>>> incomplete test version, which we run in closed beta but before
>>>> adding newer and new features we believe could be useful, we wish
>>>> to start engaging with experienced, early adapter users, such
that
>>>> we can essentially build IRIS together from ground up.
>>>> 
>>>> The service is very similar to initiatives such as, Be my eyes,
>>>> Bespecular, TapTapSee and other; however, our service aims to
>>>> focus specifically on educational needs, with a pool of
>>>> volunteering experts at given academic disciplines.
>>>> 
>>>> How does IRIS work?
>>>> * blind or visually impaired (BVI) students upload an image of
>>>> scientific content, graphs, diagrams. * BVI students select a
>>>> field of study (tag) e.g. physics, maths, chemistry etc. and a
>>>> level of difficulty. * BVI students can ask a specific question
>>>> they would like to know about the figure. * A pool of sighted
>>>> volunteers with the necessary knowledge are assigned to groups of
>>>> chosen disciplines based on their user settings of competency.
*
>>>> When an image request is sent by a BVI student, the figure
appears
>>>> in a queue that all volunteers of a specific discipline can view
>>>> and describe. * If a request is accepted, the volunteer should
>>>> give a description of the image based on provided guidelines. *
>>>> The recipient of the description can either accept the response,
>>>> or ask for further clarification.
>>>> 
>>>> What will I need to do as a tester?
>>>> All you need to do is to log in whenever you can, upload a figure
>>>> of scientific content, wait for the description and let us know
>>>> what are the things you like, don*t like and suggest us new
>>>> features you believe would be useful or could be done in a better
>>>> way.
>>>> 
>>>> If you feel you would be happy and able to help us, please let us
>>>> know by getting in touch on contact at grapheel.com. Then we will
>>>> send you a URL to access the service, your username, password and
>>>> a *How to get started* instruction. 
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> Daniel 
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