[Blindmath] answer about LaTeX to html

Thu Feb 16 20:04:43 UTC 2017

Good day Lukasz,

I went totally blind about a year and a half ago, and I am an old  research 
EE.  I was told about MathPlayer with MathType and Word early on, but only 
learned about LaTeX and mathml a couple of months ago. My first experience 
was reading equations at Wikipedia, which pleasantly surprised me.  Since 
MathType is inaccessible to me now, I am writing and manipulating equations 
in La
TeX, which I may convert to html if I get good enough results to publish. 
If I were in your place, I probably would prefer to prepare material using 
Word and MathType as  it seems more efficient than using LaTeX.

Regards,
Doug Miron

-----Original Message----- 
From: ŁukaszGrabowski via Blindmath
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:02 AM
To: Lucas Radaelli
Cc: ŁukaszGrabowski ; Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] answer about LaTeX to html

By the dafault it's the former, i.e. mathml. But it's very configurable
and if you prefer latex source as alt then probably it can be done
(although probably that's not much more helpful than reading the source)

NVDA with math player does (what it seems to me is) a reasonable job
with reading. You can try an example problem sheet here:
http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/staff/grabows1/accessible/math103/Week14.tex/S0.SSx2.html

Having said that, I'm preparing materials for a visually impaired
student this year (legally bordercase blind, but with enough vision to
read the above link at about 300% zoom), so I don't have any real
experience on whether NVDA with mathplayer would work for a  maths
student with no vision at all.

So if you are or know a blind maths student I would actually be very
interested to know whether a page as above is accessible via NVDA with
math player.

Best,
Łukasz

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:45:37 -0200
Lucas Radaelli <lucasradaelli at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does latexml convert the output formulas to mathml or it puts the
> Latex source as alt in the images? if the former, what to use to read
> the formulas?
>
> On 16/02/2017 13:22, Łukasz Grabowski via Blindmath wrote:
> > Hi Russell,
> >
> > I speak as someone who has tried different approaches to converting
> > latex to accessible html this year - pandoc is not good for this
> > purpuse, you should really use latexml if you have a tex file which
> > you need to convert to an accessible version.
> >
> > What pandoc is absolutely great for is writing new documents. Also
> > if I had a blind maths student which I needed to teach to write
> > mathematical documents, I would go with pandoc.
> >
> > The point is that pandoc very intelligently restricts what you can
> > do in a document, allowng to focus on the content, lowering the
> > numberof typos, etc.. But converting existing latex documents to
> > pandoc (or should I say "pandoc markdown" to be completely correct)
> > is a pain.
> >
> > Best,
> > Łukasz
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:13:34 -0700
> > Russell Solowoniuk via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Mathieu,
> >>
> >> Assuming one could obtain a math or physics textbook in LaTeX
> >> format, would it be possible to run the textbook file through
> >> Pandoc and end up with a screen reader accessible version of the
> >> text? Or, would a lot of editing need to be done before using
> >> Pandoc, i.e. removing images, diagrams, etc.?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Russell
> >>
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> >>>>> Mathieu Barbe via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> 2017-02-16
> >>>>> 3:20 AM >>>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> pandoc is a good solution to convert math.
> >>
> >> Pandoc can convert markdown to html with mathml or mathjax.
> >> For instance :
> >>
> >> code markdown :
> >>
> >> % My title
> >> % My name
> >> % 16 Feb 2017
> >>
> >> # My equation and level 1
> >>
> >> This is a sum :
> >>
> >> $\sum_{i=0}^n i^2$
> >>
> >> End markdown code
> >>
> >> type in the command line :
> >>
> >> pandoc -s --mathml source.markdown -o out.html
> >>
> >> if you want mathjax instead of mathml, replace --mathml by
> >> --mathjax!
> >>
> >> If you have LaTeX source you also convert in html web page.
> >
> >> however, if tex source contains specials commands, there may be
> >> errors.
> >>
> >> command line :
> >>
> >> pandoc -s --mathml source.tex -o out.html
> >>
> >> The -s option ask to pandoc to generate header before your texte.
> >>
> >> ++ Mathieu
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