[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 132, Issue 11

Wed Jul 19 17:24:31 UTC 2017

John;


Many thanks for your email;

I will of course bare this in mind about NVDA;

Kind Regards;

Tolga;


On 19/07/2017, John Gardner <gardnerj at oregonstate.edu> wrote:
> Tolga, you are obviously a Jaws user, and I am sure your advice on using
> Jaws is good. But NVDA is actually more powerful than Jaws for accessing
> math. And it is free.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of tolga
> karatas via BlindMath
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 5:09 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 132, Issue 11
>
> Hi Mohammed;
>
> To reach the resources for a blind user who wants to access mathematics
> content using windows; you need to first of all; have a windows PC with
> Jaws
> installed and activated;
>
> next you will also need the math type and math player application created
> by
> design science web link is:
>
> http://www.dessci.com
>
> if you have a focus 40 braille display this can also be used as well;
>
> in edition; you will also need what's called an SBL File for Jaws;
> ELOQ.SBL;
> to recognise  maths characters;
>
> Hope this helps;
>
>
>
>
> Yours Sincerely;
>
>
>
>
> Tolga Karatas;
>
>
> please don't hesitate to get back in touch with me if you need more
> information;
>
>
>
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>>    1. New to blind math (Muhammad Fayed)
>>    2. Re: New to blind math (Sarah Jevnikar)
>>    3. Re: help with website name (Steve Jacobson)
>>    4. Re: New to blind math (Doug and Molly Miron)
>>    5. Re: help with website name (Godfrey, Jonathan)
>>    6. Emacs with Screen Readers (Laxmisagar Samai)
>>    7. Re: Emacs with Screen Readers (Godfrey, Jonathan)
>>    8. Re: Emacs with Screen Readers (Laxmisagar Samai)
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:36:07 +0200
>> From: Muhammad Fayed <m10fayed at gmail.com>
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [BlindMath] New to blind math
>> Message-ID: <32EED149-BFF4-42EC-9974-3000314C75F0 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I?m a new subscriber for blind math and I want to know how to reach
>> the resources of accessible math tools on either windows, linux or
>> Mac. So , what should I do to reach these resources ?
>> And I want to know if there is an alternative for Matlab on windows ?
>> I?ve tried using it but it not accessible at all! I need to use it in
>> some hand ins in the faculty.
>> Any help would be appreciated,
>> Sincerely ,
>> Mohamed Fayed
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:58:47 -0400
>> From: Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] New to blind math
>> Message-ID: <95AAB68C-039A-4A72-915E-58209A467F7C at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>>
>> Good morning Muhammad,
>> Welcome to the list! You'll find lots of great help here.
>>
>> A good place to start is http://access2science.com for helpful resources.
>> There is also a link at the bottom of each BlindMath e-mail with "gems"
>> (highlights) of topics that come up a lot, such as Matlab and other
>> programs. Also search the list archives for help.
>>
>> In order to be as helpful as we can, we'll have to know a few things
>> from you and anyone else looking for help:
>> 1. What technology do you use? JAWS? NVDA? Braille? ZoomText? Can you
>> use a mouse?
>> 2. Asking "is something accessible?" probably won't get a very
>> thorough response, but a more specific question usually gets better
>> results. Of course, if you're just getting started with something, you
>> may not know the right questions to ask.
>> 3. It also might be helpful sometimes to know where you're located to
>> provide region-specific information, but this is not necessarily
> essential.
>> 4. In some instances it might be helpful to know your level of
>> education, so we can give knowledge-appropriate assistance.
>>
>> I know this is more general than you might like, but I hope it is
>> somewhat helpful.
>>
>> Welcome, and have a great day!
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Muhammad Fayed via BlindMath
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I?m a new subscriber for blind math and I want to know how to reach
>> the resources of accessible math tools on either windows, linux or
>> Mac. So , what should I do to reach these resources ?
>> And I want to know if there is an alternative for Matlab on windows ?
>> I?ve tried using it but it not accessible at all! I need to use it in
>> some hand ins in the faculty.
>> Any help would be appreciated,
>> Sincerely ,
>> Mohamed Fayed
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindMath mailing list
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>> BlindMath:
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>> 40gmail.com
>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:02:46 -0500
>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
>> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] help with website name
>> Message-ID: <00b001d2ffd6$eab154a0$c013fde0$@visi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Lukasz,
>>
>> It might be worth looking at
>>
>> www.blindscience.org
>>
>> to see if there is something there to which you want to contribute.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Taksan via BlindMath
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:44 PM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Taksan <taksantong at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] help with website name
>>
>> ?ukasz: whatever name you finally use for the website please let us
>> all know how it goes. The project you described is very interesting
>> and I offer my help if you guys are open to other contributors. I am a
>> developer and I'm not blind.
>>
>> Returning to the topic of the "name", my humble opinion is to forget
>> about using specific (or not widely known) scientific names and just
>> go for something simple as "science4all"... take as an example the web
>> somebody offered you, it is called "access2science", I believe that is
>> a fantastic name in my opinion because the name "invites" you to read it,
> regardless of
>> the content inside.   I believe many people can benefit from your
>> project,
>> not just people that understand what a monad is.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Taksan
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:05 PM, ?ukasz Grabowski via BlindMath <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I will soon be starting a (paid) webservice for visually impaired
>>> STEM students, whose initial aim will be providing interfaces to
>>> open-source software which are specifically designed for visually
>>> impaired people (in case you're interested what's the service about,
>>> I describe it briefly below, but it's an early stage).
>>>
>>> I spent way too much time thinking about a name :-). For now I chose
>>> Blind Monad.
>>>
>>> All the guides I read about choosing the domain name suggest to check
>>> with target demographics how they like it. So - do you like it? :-)
>>> It's somewhat inspired by the name of this group.
>>>
>>> The word monad has many meanings but in the branch of maths called
>>> category theory monad is something which in particular describes
>>> interactions. Similarly in computer science monad is a concept which
>>> can be used for description of user interfaces, etc. A friend told me
>>> it's a bad name because noone will know what is a monad. I get the
>>> point but perhaps on the other hand it invokes your curiosity? :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are some very early details about the service. I came up with
>>> this idea after a recent private conversation with another group
>>> member Zach - it was clear that the problem he had, producing a
>>> diagram of a biochemical reaction, can be fairly easily solved by
>>> using open-source software. But the problem is having access to
>>> linux, configuring orca or other linux screen reader correctly,
>>> learning to interact with compilers, etc.
>>>
>>> So the idea is that perhaps at first one could use a web-based
>>> front-end, and then if one thinks that it's a good idea, invest time
>>> and resources into configuring their own computer. The kind of things
>>> I want to provide access to are e.g. latex and latexml, python,
>>> octave (clone of matlab), DOT language for graphs, etc. plus
> "tailor-made"
>>> interfaces if you want to solve some specific problem quickly. When I
>>> say "tailor-made" I really mean that the user would describe the way
>>> how they would prefer to interact with the website to solve a
>>> concrete problem (e.g. producing a diagram of a biochemical
>>> reaction), and then we work together to come up with an efficient
> interface.
>>>
>>> In other words if you're a technically savvy person there's probably
>>> not much in the above which you couldn't do yourself.
>>> Also the service will not be meant to "hook you", but rather
>>> introduce you to a technology in a most efficient fashion and
>>> encourage to explore it on your own (perhaps on your own computer).
>>> At a later stage I would perhaps also like to offer 1-1 "tutoring" in
>>> usage of latex, octave, etc. but will see where it goes.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindMath mailing list
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>>> blindmath-gems-home>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:03:26 -0500
>> From: "Doug and Molly Miron" <mndmrn at hbci.com>
>> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
>> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] New to blind math
>> Message-ID: <4BAD61B103244B2E9BBAA1A47B68ACF3 at DESKTOPBGKNB8Q>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>> 	reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi Mohammed,
>>
>> Current versions of MatLab for Windows are not accessible.  I happen
>> to know
>>
>> that version 5.3 will be accessible on a 32-bit WinXP box and you can
>> download this version for free from MatLab's website.  People on this
>> list have told me that current versions of MatLab are accessible on
>> Mac systems with VoiceOver.
>>
>> Octave is a free MatLab-like environment and the CLI (command-line
>> interface) version is accessible using Windows 10 on a 64-bit machine.
>> It runs many times slower than the 20-year old MatLab on my WinXP box,
>> but if you aren't running matrix problems with thousands of unknowns
>> this slowness
>>
>> is not likely an issue.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Doug Miron
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Muhammad Fayed via BlindMath
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:36 AM
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Muhammad Fayed
>> Subject: [BlindMath] New to blind math
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I?m a new subscriber for blind math and I want to know how to reach
>> the resources of accessible math tools on either windows, linux or
>> Mac. So , what should I do to reach these resources ?
>> And I want to know if there is an alternative for Matlab on windows ?
>> I?ve tried using it but it not accessible at all! I need to use it in
>> some hand ins in the faculty.
>> Any help would be appreciated,
>> Sincerely ,
>> Mohamed Fayed
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindMath mailing list
>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
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>> BlindMath:
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>> om
>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 01:30:07 +0000
>> From: "Godfrey, Jonathan" <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
>> To: "sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com" <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>, "Blind Math
>> 	list	for those interested in mathematics" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] help with website name
>> Message-ID:
>> 	
>> <D59DA89C3CD73C44A799E7087F8E6A9E20E8E2C9 at tur-exch-node1.massey.ac.nz>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm keen to improve the ability of bind people to access software in a
>> general sense, but I'm curious about this initiative's ability to
>> actually help.
>>
>> My concern is that if someone is not "savvy" enough to set up some of
>> the software used as examples, then they are probably not ready to use
>> that software. I note for example, that Python and Octave get a
>> mention. I've never heard of anyone having issues with the
>> installation of either, but I have heard of people not knowing which
>> way to run the software or do the work required. Use of an alternative
>> interface does not solve the real problem here. The same is true for
>> LaTeX where none of the default editors shipped with the standard
> installers for Windows are accessible.
>>
>> Furthermore, until I see a demonstration, I am loathed to offer people
>> hope that the proposed solution will actually work without introducing
>> an extra layer of possible problems. Web interfaces for STEM software
>> have repeatedly let us down in the past. Consider the discussions
>> about various notebook-oriented solutions in particular.
>>
>> I am a firm believer in giving people solutions that work, and making
>> it easy to use the solutions includes making sure it is easy to set up
>> the software in the first place. I would be extremely disappointed to
>> see anyone pay for a service that is unnecessary, just because they
>> don't know how to do the installation or know how to ask this
>> community for help. I would include such software in this list as R,
>> Maxima, Octave, Python, and SAS to name just a few.
>>
>> I would note that there is plenty of good advice in the list archives,
>> and on a variety of webpages being mentioned as part of this thread.
>> There is also an unfortunate tendency of people to state software is "not
> accessible"
>> when they haven't got it to work for them, or worse, overstating the
>> accessibility of software without adequate testing. We need the most
>> up to date information on so many applications; I don't have the
>> energy or expertise to manage reviews of more than the statistical
>> software and any other tools I actually do use. I would like to see
>> for example, I page on mathematical software that is like the one I
>> manage for statistical software.
>>
>> Finally, I would hope that anyone setting up a  service is in the best
>> position to offer advice from an expert point of view. To me, that
>> includes a thorough consideration of the sense of using a particular
>> tool. For example, Doug comments that Octave is slower than Matlab for
>> running large computationally intensive jobs. Given he is interested
>> in this particular aspect for his work and I'm not, I rely on his
>> expertise on that specific topic. I could teach someone to use minitab
>> for example, but I know that the accessibility issues are so great
>> that overcoming them is not a smart move even though it is possible. I
>> won't take money off people to help them use Minitab because I can't
>> offer them a long term solution that isn't going to end up relying on
>> my ongoing support. While my support is coming to people at no cost, I
>> am happy not answering email as soon as it arrives. When it comes time
>> to have to jump up and down to support everyone at a moment's notice,
>> I'll consider charging for my time too, but  I'm confident that my
>> hourly rate is beyond the budget of most students. I am yet to refuse
> anyone assistance in installing R or pointing them towards the right
> resources.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Sarah Jevnikar via BlindMath
>> Sent: Tuesday, 18 July 2017 8:18 a.m.
>> To: '?ukasz Grabowski'; blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Sarah Jevnikar
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] help with website name
>>
>> Oh okay - Thanks for the clarification Lucasz. I can see this being a
>> really helpful resource after all, especially with TVI's and students
>> at all levels not eager to learn new software in addition to new academic
> concepts.
>> Thanks again,
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ?ukasz Grabowski [mailto:graboluk at gmail.com]
>> Sent: July 17, 2017 4:00 PM
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] help with website name
>>
>> Sarah, It's not about providing information, but interface :-).
>>
>> The point is: imagine someone on this mail list says e.g. you can do
>> this and that using this and that software. But then you might be not
>> technically savvy enough to set up that software. If this is the case
>> then you can go to this webpage and essentially "run the software
>> through the webpage via interface tailor-made for blind users". If you
>> are technically savvy enough then the webpage won't do much for you.
>>
>> In any case many thanks to everyone for useful inputs about the name -
>> I gave up with the monad thing (with great regret! :-)) and settled on
>> a more generic name along the lines which were suggested (I'm not
>> announcing it just yet because I haven't bought the domain just yet
>> :-)
>> )
>>
>> I hope to have some proof of concept in two weeks or less, first for
>> latex and latexml, later for python and matlab/octave. I have further
>> plans as well, some quite ambitious :-), and indeed it's likely I will
>> look for contributors if the service ever take off, but that's
>> probably several weeks or few months from now (if ever). I'll keep the
>> list updated after I have something to share.
>>
>> Best,
>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:47:01 -0400
>> Sarah Jevnikar via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I confess I'm with Dr. Gardiner - I'm confused as to what this site
>>> would provide. I'm also concerned that diluting the amount of
>>> available information would make a difficult-to-access subject even
>>> more difficult to access.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> John Gardner via BlindMath
>>> Sent: July 15, 2017 7:00 AM
>>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>>> Cc: John Gardner
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] help with website name
>>>
>>> Hi, I may be just dense, but I don't get it. What will you offer that
>>> is not available on this list? If an archive of directed information
>>> is needed, I am happy to offer access2science.com as a web site to
>>> post hints and instructions. There is already a lot there, though I
>>> must admit it has not been updated enough since it was first put
>>> together. Anybody want to volunteer to join the editorial staff?
>>>
>>> John Gardner
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Lukasz Grabowski via BlindMath
>>> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 8:06 AM
>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: ?ukasz Grabowski <graboluk at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [BlindMath] help with website name
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I will soon be starting a (paid) webservice for visually impaired
>>> STEM students, whose initial aim will be providing interfaces to
>>> open-source software which are specifically designed for visually
>>> impaired people (in case you're interested what's the service about,
>>> I describe it briefly below, but it's an early stage).
>>>
>>> I spent way too much time thinking about a name :-). For now I chose
>>> Blind Monad.
>>>
>>> All the guides I read about choosing the domain name suggest to check
>>> with target demographics how they like it. So - do you like it? :-)
>>> It's somewhat inspired by the name of this group.
>>>
>>> The word monad has many meanings but in the branch of maths called
>>> category theory monad is something which in particular describes
>>> interactions. Similarly in computer science monad is a concept which
>>> can be used for description of user interfaces, etc. A friend told me
>>> it's a bad name because noone will know what is a monad. I get the
>>> point but perhaps on the other hand it invokes your curiosity? :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are some very early details about the service. I came up with
>>> this idea after a recent private conversation with another group
>>> member Zach - it was clear that the problem he had, producing a
>>> diagram of a biochemical reaction, can be fairly easily solved by
>>> using open-source software. But the problem is having access to
>>> linux, configuring orca or other linux screen reader correctly,
>>> learning to interact with compilers, etc.
>>>
>>> So the idea is that perhaps at first one could use a web-based
>>> front-end, and then if one thinks that it's a good idea, invest time
>>> and resources into configuring their own computer. The kind of things
>>> I want to provide access to are e.g. latex and latexml, python,
>>> octave (clone of matlab), DOT language for graphs, etc. plus
> "tailor-made"
>>> interfaces if you want to solve some specific problem quickly. When I
>>> say "tailor-made" I really mean that the user would describe the way
>>> how they would prefer to interact with the website to solve a
>>> concrete problem (e.g. producing a diagram of a biochemical
>>> reaction), and then we work together to come up with an efficient
> interface.
>>>
>>> In other words if you're a technically savvy person there's probably
>>> not much in the above which you couldn't do yourself.
>>> Also the service will not be meant to "hook you", but rather
>>> introduce you to a technology in a most efficient fashion and
>>> encourage to explore it on your own (perhaps on your own computer).
>>> At a later stage I would perhaps also like to offer 1-1 "tutoring" in
>>> usage of latex, octave, etc. but will see where it goes.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindMath mailing list
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>>> du
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:28:23 +0530
>> From: Laxmisagar Samai <laxmisagar304 at gmail.com>
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [BlindMath] Emacs with Screen Readers
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CAAObwRK61BzJy5EB6C81Fz+=4-qOgYU4zx71gx8jDW6hBMszZw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does anyone has any experience in using Emacs as an editing
>> application for statistical softwares like, R, SAS and STATA with
>> screen readers?
>> I request for some help.
>>
>> Thank you
>> Laxmisagar
>> Mumbai (India)
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 07:09:12 +0000
>> From: "Godfrey, Jonathan" <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Emacs with Screen Readers
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>> Hi,
>>
>> You might look for a webpage for  the "Emacs Speaks Statistics"
>> project, often abbreviated to the acronym "ESS". Please note that this
>> is different to EmacsSpeaks
>>
>> Sorry, I am not an Emacs user so can't offer any real assistance. You
>> might find more help by joining the BlindRUG email list (also hosted
>> by the NFB) and asking your question within that group. I do know
>> there is at least one Emacs user on that list. I do not know which screen
> reader they use though.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Laxmisagar Samai via BlindMath
>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 6:58 p.m.
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Laxmisagar Samai
>> Subject: [BlindMath] Emacs with Screen Readers
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does anyone has any experience in using Emacs as an editing
>> application for statistical softwares like, R, SAS and STATA with screen
> readers?
>> I request for some help.
>>
>> Thank you
>> Laxmisagar
>> Mumbai (India)
>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:20:15 +0530
>> From: Laxmisagar Samai <laxmisagar304 at gmail.com>
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Emacs with Screen Readers
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>> Thank you Jonathan,
>> I will check with the blindRUG,
>>
>> Laxmisagar
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/19/17, Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> You might look for a webpage for  the "Emacs Speaks Statistics"
>>> project, often abbreviated to the acronym "ESS". Please note that
>>> this is different to EmacsSpeaks
>>>
>>> Sorry, I am not an Emacs user so can't offer any real assistance. You
>>> might find more help by joining the BlindRUG email list (also hosted
>>> by the
>>> NFB)
>>> and asking your question within that group. I do know there is at
>>> least one Emacs user on that list. I do not know which screen reader
>>> they use though.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Laxmisagar Samai via BlindMath
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 6:58 p.m.
>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Laxmisagar Samai
>>> Subject: [BlindMath] Emacs with Screen Readers
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Does anyone has any experience in using Emacs as an editing
>>> application for statistical softwares like, R, SAS and STATA with
>>> screen readers?
>>> I request for some help.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Laxmisagar
>>> Mumbai (India)
>>>
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