[Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: Blindmath Digest, Vol 127, Issue 22
Neil Soiffer
soiffer at alum.mit.edu
Wed Mar 1 07:25:05 UTC 2017
Freedom Scientific decided to do their own implementation for speaking math
and generating braille; they do not use MathPlayer. I suggest you contact
them about your needs.
Neil Soiffer
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:55 AM, tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> neil,
>
> Many thanks for this,
>
> my question is this,
>
> Will I be able to use jaws 17.0.2727 with math player/LaTEX/Math Type
> please?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tolga.
>
> On 28/02/2017, blindmath-request at nfbnet.org
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> > 1. Re: {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws screen
> > reader, (Louis Maher)
> > 2. Re: math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
> > (Doug and Molly Miron)
> > 3. {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws
> > screen reader, (Rebecca Maria Carvalho)
> > 4. {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws screen
> > reader, (Neil Soiffer)
> > 5. Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
> > (Rebecca Maria Carvalho)
> > 6. {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws screen
> > reader, (Neil Soiffer)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:16:32 -0600
> > From: "Louis Maher" <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> > To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: "'Neil Soiffer'" <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
> > screen reader,
> > Message-ID: <000401d2910c$7bc07050$734150f0$@swbell.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Neil,
> >
> > I do not know if it helps, but JAWS 18 can show MathML on the web as
> Nemeth
> > code on Braille displays.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Louis Maher
> > Phone: 713-444-7838
> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Neil
> > Soiffer via Blindmath
> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:02 PM
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>; Louis Maher <ljmaher at swbell.net
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
> > screen reader,
> >
> > A few notes and clarifications about MathType:
> >
> > 1. LaTeX is not the underlying language for MathType -- LaTeX along with
> > MathML and a few other formats are alternative representations that
> > MathType
> > supports for import and export.
> >
> > 2. The translator from MathType to LaTeX is somewhat simple and puts in
> far
> > more braces than are needed. It's easier to generate that way and legal
> > LaTeX. It does unfortunately make it harder to read and listen to.
> >
> > 3. If you type LaTeX and convert it to MathType, MathType will remember
> > the
> > original LaTeX and preserve it unless you edit the equation in MathType.
> So
> > if you start with LaTeX without many braces, convert it to MathType and
> > convert it back to LaTeX, it will look exactly the way you typed it.
> >
> > 4. If you can't see normal math notation, a VERY big advantage of using
> > Word+MathType+NVDA+MathPlayer when entering LaTeX is that once you
> > Word+MathType+NVDA+convert
> > the LaTeX to normal math notation, it can be read by NVDA+MathPlayer and
> > displayed in Nemeth on a refreshible braille display. That's important
> > because you have no way of knowing if you made a mistake in typing the
> > LaTeX
> > without getting that feedback. Making occasional mistakes in LaTeX
> happens
> > to everyone, so getting feedback via sight, sound, or touch is really
> > important if you want to make sure others understand what you wrote.
> >
> > 5. AFAIK, JAWS does not support speaking/brailling math in Word
> documents.
> > If that has changed in the last year, please let me and others on the
> list
> > know.
> >
> > I hope that clarifies a few things,
> >
> > Neil Soiffer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Louis Maher via Blindmath <
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Doug,
> >>
> >> I borrow the document I sent the list from another person. I did not
> >> write it, and I can't answer questions on its syntax. I am just
> >> starting to learn Latex and MathType.
> >>
> >> I do not know if it matters, but I am a JAWS user.
> >>
> >> I was able to turn the equation image into Latex and back to an image
> >> by using alt+\. When I was looking at the Latex version of the
> >> equation, I moved the cursor onto the first $ and hit alt+\, and the
> >> equation turned back into an image. I am using Office 2016, JAWS 18,
> and
> > MathType 6.9.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Louis Maher
> >> Phone: 713-444-7838
> >> E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Doug and Molly Miron via Blindmath
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:16 PM
> >> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> >> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Doug and Molly Miron <mndmrn at hbci.com>
> >> Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
> >> screen reader,
> >>
> >> Good day Louis,
> >>
> >> I'm new to TeX and LaTeX and found your message very helpful. I
> >> didn't know that TeX is the underlying language for MathType. Also,
> >> it took me a while to discover that alt+\ is alt+[backslash] because
> >> NVDA doesn't read the character unless I single-step through it.
> >> After reading your example document, I opened, in current versions of
> >> Word, MathType and MathPlayer, a document I'd written several years
> >> ago inold versions of Word and MathType.
> >> The alt+\ brought out the underlying TeX, but it wouldn't convert
> >> back. In your example and my old document, exponents are heavily
> >> braced, even when there is only one character. Why is this? In your
> >> e-mail integral example it seems you got away with minimal bracing.
> >> The letter "n" seems to be used as a filler in multi-line equations.
> >> Can yoou recommend a reference for math type-setting in TeX or LaTeX?
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Doug Miron
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Louis Maher via Blindmath
> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:05 PM
> >> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> >> Cc: Louis Maher ; 'tolga karatas'
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> >> reader,
> >>
> >> Hello Tolga,
> >>
> >> If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the
> >> blind with JAWS. Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do
> >> not have a current e-mail address for Neil). Note that while he talks
> >> about NVDA, MathTypes works well in JAWS.
> >>
> >> I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
> >> -----
> >> "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math if
> >> you are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already
> >> have a document with math in it, then the above combination will work
> >> for *reading *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author
> >> math, then in Word you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use
> >> MathType to convert that into MathType math (so it looks nice), which
> >> can then be spoken and navigated.
> >> Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math
> >> gives you a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you
> >> didn't, then you convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen
> >> again.
> >>
> >> FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle TeX""
> >> which
> >> has the keyboard shortcut alt+\. As the name ""Toggle"" implies, alt+\
> >> will also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
> >>
> >> Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral from 0
> >> to
> >> 10
> >> of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into Word:
> >> $\int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+\
> >>
> >> Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math to
> > you.
> >> If you made a mistake, type alt+\ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
> >>
> >> FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error of
> >> not putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any
> >> subscript or superscript that is more than one character.
> >>
> >> Neil Soiffer
> >> Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
> >>
> >> -----
> >>
> >> If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and the
> >> equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change it.
> >>
> >> I have attached an example file to try this.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am just beginning to learn this.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Louis Maher
> >> Phone: 713-444-7838
> >> E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> tolga karatas via Blindmath
> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
> >> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >> Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
> >>
> >> Dear Sir/madam,
> >>
> >> I am a visually impaired studying a degree in BSC Business
> >> Information
> >> technology:
> >>
> >> I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but
> >> jaws isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user
> >> friendly either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really
> >> want to use math type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the
> >> accessibility is not their.
> >>
> >> Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge
> >> please?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yours Faithfully,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Tolga Karatas
> >>
> >> I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
> >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:56:40 -0600
> > From: "Doug and Molly Miron" <mndmrn at hbci.com>
> > To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> > reader,
> > Message-ID: <9FD7289AD6734D188CBE48D33D4207BE at DESKTOPBGKNB8Q>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Good day Neil,
> >
> > Is there another way to convert LaTeX to MathType/MathPlayer? The
> > alt+[backslash] shortcut seems to ignore \begin{equation} and
> \begin{align}.
> >
> > If not, I can live with the $...$ method and add equation numbers myself.
> > Can you give me a reference for math typesetting in LaTeX? I have
> > bookmarked the symbol tables on the web, but I have other questions and
> > there are doubtless questions I'm too ignorant to ask.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Doug Miron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: 27 Feb 2017 19:58:50 -0000
> > From: "Rebecca Maria Carvalho" <rebecca at xrcvc.org>
> > To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>, <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> > Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility
> > with jaws screen reader,
> > Message-ID:
> > <1488171812.S.15642.17209.pro-236-182.1488225530.16881@
> webmail.rediffmail.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Hi,
> > Regarding point 4 in your email, you mentioned that MathType's equations
> in
> > Word can be read in Nemeth on Refreshable Braille displays with NVDA +
> Math
> > Player.
> > Which Refreshable Braille Display can be used for this?And how would one
> go
> > about it ?
> > I have tried reading MathType Equations from Word on the Focus 40
> > Refreshable Braille Display, but it did not display Nemeth.
> > We have been looking for the solution to this for a while but have not
> been
> > able to find any Refreshable Braille Display that displays Nemeth Braille
> > Code.Please do let us know.
> > Rebecca
> > Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
> >
> > From: Neil Soiffer via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:33:32 GMT+0530
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws
> screen
> > reader,
> >
> > A few notes and clarifications about MathType:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. LaTeX is not the underlying language for MathType -- LaTeX along
> > with
> >
> > MathML and a few other formats are alternative representations that
> >
> > MathType supports for import and export.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. The translator from MathType to LaTeX is somewhat simple and puts in
> far
> >
> > more braces than are needed. It's easier to generate that way and legal
> >
> > LaTeX. It does unfortunately make it harder to read and listen to.
> >
> >
> >
> > 3. If you type LaTeX and convert it to MathType, MathType will
> > remember
> >
> > the original LaTeX and preserve it unless you edit the equation in
> >
> > MathType. So if you start with LaTeX without many braces, convert it to
> >
> > MathType and convert it back to LaTeX, it will look exactly the way you
> >
> > typed it.
> >
> >
> >
> > 4. If you can't see normal math notation, a VERY big advantage of
> > using
> >
> > Word+MathType+NVDA+MathPlayer when entering LaTeX is that once you
> convert
> >
> > the LaTeX to normal math notation, it can be read by NVDA+MathPlayer and
> >
> > displayed in Nemeth on a refreshible braille display. That's important
> >
> > because you have no way of knowing if you made a mistake in typing the
> >
> > LaTeX without getting that feedback. Making occasional mistakes in LaTeX
> >
> > happens to everyone, so getting feedback via sight, sound, or touch is
> >
> > really important if you want to make sure others understand what you
> wrote.
> >
> >
> >
> > 5. AFAIK, JAWS does not support speaking/brailling math in Word
> > documents.
> >
> > If that has changed in the last year, please let me and others on the
> list
> >
> > know.
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope that clarifies a few things,
> >
> >
> >
> > Neil Soiffer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Louis Maher via Blindmath <
> >
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi Doug,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I borrow the document I sent the list from another person. I
> did
> > not write
> >
> > > it, and I can't answer questions on its syntax. I am just
> > starting to
> >
> > > learn
> >
> > > Latex and MathType.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I do not know if it matters, but I am a JAWS user.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I was able to turn the equation image into Latex and back to an
> image
> > by
> >
> > > using alt+. When I was looking at the Latex version of the
> > equation, I
> >
> > > moved the cursor onto the first $ and hit alt+, and the equation
> > turned
> >
> > > back into an image. I am using Office 2016, JAWS 18, and
> MathType
> > 6.9.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Regards
> >
> > > Louis Maher
> >
> > > Phone: 713-444-7838
> >
> > > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > Doug
> >
> > > and
> >
> > > Molly Miron via Blindmath
> >
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:16 PM
> >
> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> >
> > > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >
> > > Cc: Doug and Molly Miron <mndmrn at hbci.com>
> >
> > > Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
> > screen
> >
> > > reader,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Good day Louis,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I'm new to TeX and LaTeX and found your message very helpful.
> I
> > didn't
> >
> > > know
> >
> > > that TeX is the underlying language for MathType. Also, it
> took
> > me a while
> >
> > > to discover that alt+ is alt+[backslash] because NVDA doesn't read
> the
> >
> > > character unless I single-step through it. After reading your
> > example
> >
> > > document, I opened, in current versions of Word, MathType and
> > MathPlayer, a
> >
> > > document I'd written several years ago inold versions of Word and
> > MathType.
> >
> > > The alt+ brought out the underlying TeX, but it wouldn't convert
> back.
> > In
> >
> > > your example and my old document, exponents are heavily braced, even
> > when
> >
> > > there is only one character. Why is this? In your e-mail
> > integral example
> >
> > > it seems you got away with minimal bracing. The letter "n"
> seems
> > to be
> >
> > > used
> >
> > > as a filler in multi-line equations. Can yoou recommend a
> > reference for
> >
> > > math type-setting in TeX or LaTeX? Thanks.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Regards,
> >
> > > Doug Miron
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: Louis Maher via Blindmath
> >
> > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:05 PM
> >
> > > To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> >
> > > Cc: Louis Maher ; 'tolga karatas'
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> > reader,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hello Tolga,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the
> > blind
> >
> > > with
> >
> > > JAWS. Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do not
> > have a
> >
> > > current e-mail address for Neil). Note that while he talks
> about
> > NVDA,
> >
> > > MathTypes works well in JAWS.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
> >
> > > -----
> >
> > > "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math
> if
> > you
> >
> > > are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already
> have
> > a
> >
> > > document with math in it, then the above combination will work for
> > *reading
> >
> > > *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author math, then
> > in
> >
> > > Word
> >
> > > you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use MathType to convert
> > that
> >
> > > into
> >
> > > MathType math (so it looks nice), which can then be spoken and
> > navigated.
> >
> > > Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math
> > gives
> >
> > > you
> >
> > > a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you didn't, then
> > you
> >
> > > convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen again.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle
> TeX""
> >
> > > which
> >
> > > has the keyboard shortcut alt+. As the name ""Toggle"" implies, alt+
> > will
> >
> > > also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral
> from 0
> > to
> >
> > > 10
> >
> > > of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into
> > Word:
> >
> > > $int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math
> to
> > you.
> >
> > > If you made a mistake, type alt+ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error
> of
> > not
> >
> > > putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any
> > subscript
> >
> > > or superscript that is more than one character.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Neil Soiffer
> >
> > > Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -----
> >
> > >
> >
> > > If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and
> the
> >
> > > equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change it.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I have attached an example file to try this.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I am just beginning to learn this.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Regards
> >
> > > Louis Maher
> >
> > > Phone: 713-444-7838
> >
> > > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > tolga
> >
> > > karatas via Blindmath
> >
> > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
> >
> > > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >
> > > Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
> >
> > > Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> reader,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Dear Sir/madam,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I am a visually impaired studying a degree in BSC Business
> > Information
> >
> > > technology:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but
> > jaws
> >
> > > isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user
> > friendly
> >
> > > either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really want to
> > use
> >
> > > math
> >
> > > type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the accessibility is not
> their.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge
> > please?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Yours Faithfully,
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Tolga Karatas
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
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> >
> > > BlindMath Gems can be found at
> >
> > > <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> rebecca%40xrcvc.org
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:12:03 -0800
> > From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> > To: Rebecca Maria Carvalho <rebecca at xrcvc.org>
> > Cc: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>, Louis Maher <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> > Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility with
> > jaws screen reader,
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAESRWkDobd-yCiXL7xXKsn-yFDu1ihj-OSDX701BAmcPqUebdA@
> mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > NVDA asks MathPlayer for the braille and then sends it to the braille
> > display. If NVDA supports the Focus 4, then it should work. According to
> > their
> > documentation,
> > <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#
> SupportedBrailleDisplays>
> > all Focus displays are supported. If you aren't getting braille for text
> in
> > a Word document, then their is some problem with your NVDA/braille
> display
> > setup.
> >
> > If you do get braille for regular text and can hear the math speech when
> > moving to math, then you should be getting braille for the math. One
> thing
> > to check is to make sure Braille is set to Nemeth -- see the MathPlayer
> > manual
> > <https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/manual.
> htm#mathplayer_settings_dialog>on
> > how to check/set the value (it defaults to Nemeth).
> >
> > Neil Soiffer
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Rebecca Maria Carvalho
> > <rebecca at xrcvc.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Regarding point 4 in your email, you mentioned that MathType's equations
> >> in Word can be read in Nemeth on Refreshable Braille displays with NVDA
> +
> >> Math Player.
> >>
> >> Which Refreshable Braille Display can be used for this?
> >> And how would one go about it ?
> >>
> >> I have tried reading MathType Equations from Word on the Focus 40
> >> Refreshable Braille Display, but it did not display Nemeth.
> >>
> >> We have been looking for the solution to this for a while but have not
> >> been able to find any Refreshable Braille Display that displays Nemeth
> >> Braille Code.
> >> Please do let us know.
> >>
> >> Rebecca
> >>
> >> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
> >>
> >> From: Neil Soiffer via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:33:32 GMT+0530
> >> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws
> screen
> >> reader,
> >>
> >> A few notes and clarifications about MathType:
> >>
> >> 1. LaTeX is not the underlying language for MathType -- LaTeX along
> with
> >> MathML and a few other formats are alternative representations that
> >> MathType supports for import and export.
> >>
> >> 2. The translator from MathType to LaTeX is somewhat simple and puts in
> >> far
> >> more braces than are needed. It's easier to generate that way and legal
> >> LaTeX. It does unfortunately make it harder to read and listen to.
> >>
> >> 3. If you type LaTeX and convert it to MathType, MathType will remember
> >> the original LaTeX and preserve it unless you edit the equation in
> >> MathType. So if you start with LaTeX without many braces, convert it to
> >> MathType and convert it back to LaTeX, it will look exactly the way you
> >> typed it.
> >>
> >> 4. If you can't see normal math notation, a VERY big advantage of using
> >> Word+MathType+NVDA+MathPlayer when entering LaTeX is that once you
> >> convert
> >> the LaTeX to normal math notation, it can be read by NVDA+MathPlayer and
> >> displayed in Nemeth on a refreshible braille display. That's important
> >> because you have no way of knowing if you made a mistake in typing the
> >> LaTeX without getting that feedback. Making occasional mistakes in LaTeX
> >> happens to everyone, so getting feedback via sight, sound, or touch is
> >> really important if you want to make sure others understand what you
> >> wrote.
> >>
> >> 5. AFAIK, JAWS does not support speaking/brailling math in Word
> >> documents.
> >> If that has changed in the last year, please let me and others on the
> >> list
> >> know.
> >>
> >> I hope that clarifies a few things,
> >>
> >> Neil Soiffer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Louis Maher via Blindmath <
> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Doug,
> >> >
> >> > I borrow the document I sent the list from another person. I did not
> >> write
> >> > it, and I can't answer questions on its syntax. I am just starting to
> >> > learn
> >> > Latex and MathType.
> >> >
> >> > I do not know if it matters, but I am a JAWS user.
> >> >
> >> > I was able to turn the equation image into Latex and back to an image
> >> > by
> >> > using alt+. When I was looking at the Latex version of the equation,
> I
> >> > moved the cursor onto the first $ and hit alt+, and the equation
> turned
> >> > back into an image. I am using Office 2016, JAWS 18, and MathType
> 6.9.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Louis Maher
> >> > Phone: 713-444-7838 <%28713%29%20444-7838>
> >> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Doug
> >> > and
> >> > Molly Miron via Blindmath
> >> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:16 PM
> >> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> >> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Cc: Doug and Molly Miron <mndmrn at hbci.com>
> >> > Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
> >> > screen
> >> > reader,
> >> >
> >> > Good day Louis,
> >> >
> >> > I'm new to TeX and LaTeX and found your message very helpful. I
> didn't
> >> > know
> >> > that TeX is the underlying language for MathType. Also, it took me a
> >> while
> >> > to discover that alt+ is alt+[backslash] because NVDA doesn't read the
> >> > character unless I single-step through it. After reading your example
> >> > document, I opened, in current versions of Word, MathType and
> >> MathPlayer, a
> >> > document I'd written several years ago inold versions of Word and
> >> MathType.
> >> > The alt+ brought out the underlying TeX, but it wouldn't convert back.
> >> In
> >> > your example and my old document, exponents are heavily braced, even
> >> > when
> >> > there is only one character. Why is this? In your e-mail integral
> >> example
> >> > it seems you got away with minimal bracing. The letter "n" seems to
> be
> >> > used
> >> > as a filler in multi-line equations. Can yoou recommend a reference
> >> > for
> >> > math type-setting in TeX or LaTeX? Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Doug Miron
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Louis Maher via Blindmath
> >> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:05 PM
> >> > To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> >> > Cc: Louis Maher ; 'tolga karatas'
> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> >> > reader,
> >> >
> >> > Hello Tolga,
> >> >
> >> > If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the
> blind
> >> > with
> >> > JAWS. Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do not have a
> >> > current e-mail address for Neil). Note that while he talks about
> NVDA,
> >> > MathTypes works well in JAWS.
> >> >
> >> > I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
> >> > -----
> >> > "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math if
> >> > you
> >> > are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already have
> a
> >> > document with math in it, then the above combination will work for
> >> *reading
> >> > *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author math, then
> in
> >> > Word
> >> > you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use MathType to convert
> that
> >> > into
> >> > MathType math (so it looks nice), which can then be spoken and
> >> > navigated.
> >> > Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math
> >> > gives
> >> > you
> >> > a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you didn't, then
> you
> >> > convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen again.
> >> >
> >> > FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle TeX""
> >> > which
> >> > has the keyboard shortcut alt+. As the name ""Toggle"" implies, alt+
> >> > will
> >> > also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
> >> >
> >> > Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral from 0
> >> > to
> >> > 10
> >> > of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into
> Word:
> >> > $int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+
> >> >
> >> > Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math to
> >> you.
> >> > If you made a mistake, type alt+ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
> >> >
> >> > FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error of
> >> > not
> >> > putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any
> >> subscript
> >> > or superscript that is more than one character.
> >> >
> >> > Neil Soiffer
> >> > Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
> >> >
> >> > -----
> >> >
> >> > If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and the
> >> > equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change it.
> >> >
> >> > I have attached an example file to try this.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I am just beginning to learn this.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Louis Maher
> >> > Phone: 713-444-7838 <%28713%29%20444-7838>
> >> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> > tolga
> >> > karatas via Blindmath
> >> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
> >> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >> > Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
> >> > Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen reader,
> >> >
> >> > Dear Sir/madam,
> >> >
> >> > I am a visually impaired studying a degree in BSC Business
> Information
> >> > technology:
> >> >
> >> > I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but
> >> > jaws
> >> > isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user
> friendly
> >> > either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really want to
> use
> >> > math
> >> > type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the accessibility is not their.
> >> >
> >> > Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge
> >> please?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yours Faithfully,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Tolga Karatas
> >> >
> >> > I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
> >> >
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> >> > ljmaher%40swbell.net
> >> > BlindMath Gems can be found at
> >> > <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home
> >> <//prolinks.rediffmailpro.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=http%
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> > BlindMath Gems can be found at
> >> > <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home
> >> <//prolinks.rediffmailpro.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=http%
> 3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eblindscience%2Eorg%2Fblindmath%2Dgems%2Dhome&rediffng=0>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> <//prolinks.rediffmailpro.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=http%
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> >> > ljmaher%40swbell.net
> >> > BlindMath Gems can be found at
> >> > <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home
> >> <//prolinks.rediffmailpro.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=http%
> 3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eblindscience%2Eorg%2Fblindmath%2Dgems%2Dhome&rediffng=0>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Blindmath mailing list
> >> > Blindmath at nfbnet.org
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> >> <//prolinks.rediffmailpro.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=http%
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> >> > soiffer%40alum.mit.edu
> >> > BlindMath Gems can be found at <http://www.blindscience.org/
> >> <//prolinks.rediffmailpro.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=http%
> 3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eblindscience%2Eorg%2F&rediffng=0>
> >> > blindmath-gems-home>
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> BlindMath Gems can be found at <http://www.blindscience.org/
> >> blindmath-gems-home
> >> <//prolinks.rediffmailpro.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=http%
> 3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eblindscience%2Eorg%2Fblindmath%2Dgems%2Dhome&rediffng=0>
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: 27 Feb 2017 21:42:15 -0000
> > From: "Rebecca Maria Carvalho" <rebecca at xrcvc.org>
> > To: <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> > Cc: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>, <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws
> > screen reader,
> > Message-ID:
> > <1488226328.S.35231.28732.pro-237-55.1488231735.1639@
> webmail.rediffmail.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Thank you for your reply!
> > So, we do hear Math speech for the Math with NVDA + MathPlayer.
> > But so far we have been using the Focus 40 with JAWS. (I thought it only
> > worked with JAWS). With JAWS we do get the Braille for the regular text
> in
> > the Word file, but when it reaches the Math it displays its spelling in
> > Braille rather than the Nemeth symbols.For example it would display "five
> > plus five" and so on.
> > Will try the Focus 40 with NVDA and try what you suggested.
> > But could you also tell me which Refreshable Braillers work best and are
> > used to display Nemeth with MathPlayer + NVDA to read MathType Equations
> > directly from your Word file ?
> > Rebecca
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> > Sent: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 01:42:08 GMT+0530
> > To: Rebecca Maria Carvalho <rebecca at xrcvc.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws screen
> > reader,
> >
> > NVDA asks MathPlayer for the braille and then sends it to the braille
> > display. If NVDA supports the Focus 4, then it should work. According to
> > their documentation, all Focus displays are supported. If you aren't
> getting
> > braille for text in a Word document, then their is some problem with your
> > NVDA/braille display setup.
> >
> > If you do get braille for regular text and can hear the math speech when
> > moving to math, then you should be getting braille for the math. One
> thing
> > to check is to make sure Braille is set to Nemeth -- see the MathPlayer
> > manual on how to check/set the value (it defaults to Nemeth).
> >
> > Neil Soiffer
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Rebecca Maria Carvalho
> > <rebecca at xrcvc.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Regarding point 4 in your email, you mentioned that MathType's equations
> in
> > Word can be read in Nemeth on Refreshable Braille displays with NVDA +
> Math
> > Player.
> > Which Refreshable Braille Display can be used for this?And how would one
> go
> > about it ?
> > I have tried reading MathType Equations from Word on the Focus 40
> > Refreshable Braille Display, but it did not display Nemeth.
> > We have been looking for the solution to this for a while but have not
> been
> > able to find any Refreshable Braille Display that displays Nemeth Braille
> > Code.Please do let us know.
> > Rebecca
> > Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
> >
> > From: Neil Soiffer via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:33:32 GMT+0530
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws
> screen
> > reader,
> >
> > A few notes and clarifications about MathType:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. LaTeX is not the underlying language for MathType -- LaTeX along
> > with
> >
> > MathML and a few other formats are alternative representations that
> >
> > MathType supports for import and export.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. The translator from MathType to LaTeX is somewhat simple and puts in
> far
> >
> > more braces than are needed. It's easier to generate that way and legal
> >
> > LaTeX. It does unfortunately make it harder to read and listen to.
> >
> >
> >
> > 3. If you type LaTeX and convert it to MathType, MathType will
> > remember
> >
> > the original LaTeX and preserve it unless you edit the equation in
> >
> > MathType. So if you start with LaTeX without many braces, convert it to
> >
> > MathType and convert it back to LaTeX, it will look exactly the way you
> >
> > typed it.
> >
> >
> >
> > 4. If you can't see normal math notation, a VERY big advantage of
> > using
> >
> > Word+MathType+NVDA+MathPlayer when entering LaTeX is that once you
> convert
> >
> > the LaTeX to normal math notation, it can be read by NVDA+MathPlayer and
> >
> > displayed in Nemeth on a refreshible braille display. That's important
> >
> > because you have no way of knowing if you made a mistake in typing the
> >
> > LaTeX without getting that feedback. Making occasional mistakes in LaTeX
> >
> > happens to everyone, so getting feedback via sight, sound, or touch is
> >
> > really important if you want to make sure others understand what you
> wrote.
> >
> >
> >
> > 5. AFAIK, JAWS does not support speaking/brailling math in Word
> > documents.
> >
> > If that has changed in the last year, please let me and others on the
> list
> >
> > know.
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope that clarifies a few things,
> >
> >
> >
> > Neil Soiffer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Louis Maher via Blindmath <
> >
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi Doug,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I borrow the document I sent the list from another person. I
> did
> > not write
> >
> > > it, and I can't answer questions on its syntax. I am just
> > starting to
> >
> > > learn
> >
> > > Latex and MathType.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I do not know if it matters, but I am a JAWS user.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I was able to turn the equation image into Latex and back to an
> image
> > by
> >
> > > using alt+. When I was looking at the Latex version of the
> > equation, I
> >
> > > moved the cursor onto the first $ and hit alt+, and the equation
> > turned
> >
> > > back into an image. I am using Office 2016, JAWS 18, and
> MathType
> > 6.9.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Regards
> >
> > > Louis Maher
> >
> > > Phone: 713-444-7838
> >
> > > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > Doug
> >
> > > and
> >
> > > Molly Miron via Blindmath
> >
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:16 PM
> >
> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> >
> > > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >
> > > Cc: Doug and Molly Miron <mndmrn at hbci.com>
> >
> > > Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
> > screen
> >
> > > reader,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Good day Louis,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I'm new to TeX and LaTeX and found your message very helpful.
> I
> > didn't
> >
> > > know
> >
> > > that TeX is the underlying language for MathType. Also, it
> took
> > me a while
> >
> > > to discover that alt+ is alt+[backslash] because NVDA doesn't read
> the
> >
> > > character unless I single-step through it. After reading your
> > example
> >
> > > document, I opened, in current versions of Word, MathType and
> > MathPlayer, a
> >
> > > document I'd written several years ago inold versions of Word and
> > MathType.
> >
> > > The alt+ brought out the underlying TeX, but it wouldn't convert
> > back. In
> >
> > > your example and my old document, exponents are heavily braced, even
> > when
> >
> > > there is only one character. Why is this? In your e-mail
> > integral example
> >
> > > it seems you got away with minimal bracing. The letter "n"
> seems
> > to be
> >
> > > used
> >
> > > as a filler in multi-line equations. Can yoou recommend a
> > reference for
> >
> > > math type-setting in TeX or LaTeX? Thanks.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Regards,
> >
> > > Doug Miron
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: Louis Maher via Blindmath
> >
> > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:05 PM
> >
> > > To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> >
> > > Cc: Louis Maher ; 'tolga karatas'
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> > reader,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hello Tolga,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the
> > blind
> >
> > > with
> >
> > > JAWS. Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do not
> > have a
> >
> > > current e-mail address for Neil). Note that while he talks
> about
> > NVDA,
> >
> > > MathTypes works well in JAWS.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
> >
> > > -----
> >
> > > "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math
> if
> > you
> >
> > > are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already
> have
> > a
> >
> > > document with math in it, then the above combination will work for
> > *reading
> >
> > > *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author math, then
> > in
> >
> > > Word
> >
> > > you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use MathType to convert
> > that
> >
> > > into
> >
> > > MathType math (so it looks nice), which can then be spoken and
> > navigated.
> >
> > > Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math
> > gives
> >
> > > you
> >
> > > a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you didn't, then
> > you
> >
> > > convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen again.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle
> TeX""
> >
> > > which
> >
> > > has the keyboard shortcut alt+. As the name ""Toggle"" implies, alt+
> > will
> >
> > > also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral
> from 0
> > to
> >
> > > 10
> >
> > > of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into
> > Word:
> >
> > > $int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math
> to
> > you.
> >
> > > If you made a mistake, type alt+ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error
> of
> > not
> >
> > > putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any
> > subscript
> >
> > > or superscript that is more than one character.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Neil Soiffer
> >
> > > Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -----
> >
> > >
> >
> > > If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and
> the
> >
> > > equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change it.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I have attached an example file to try this.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I am just beginning to learn this.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Regards
> >
> > > Louis Maher
> >
> > > Phone: 713-444-7838
> >
> > > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > tolga
> >
> > > karatas via Blindmath
> >
> > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
> >
> > > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >
> > > Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
> >
> > > Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> reader,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Dear Sir/madam,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I am a visually impaired studying a degree in BSC Business
> > Information
> >
> > > technology:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but
> > jaws
> >
> > > isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user
> > friendly
> >
> > > either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really want to
> > use
> >
> > > math
> >
> > > type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the accessibility is not
> their.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge
> > please?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Yours Faithfully,
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Tolga Karatas
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> > > BlindMath Gems can be found at
> >
> > > <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> rebecca%40xrcvc.org
> >
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> > <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:07:06 -0800
> > From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Rebecca Maria Carvalho <rebecca at xrcvc.org>, Louis Maher
> > <ljmaher at swbell.net>
> > Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} math type accessibility with
> > jaws screen reader,
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAESRWkCvXvJ_oNBPvw20xi6UHs8O3_Tp0GkpwtEt1tBrZ63GhA at mail.
> gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > I can't say which display works best other than the obvious "the more
> > cells, the better" -- although Nemeth Code is more compact that UEB,
> > medium-sized equations will often take more than 40 cells.
> >
> > Neil Soiffer
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Rebecca Maria Carvalho via Blindmath <
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you for your reply!
> >> So, we do hear Math speech for the Math with NVDA + MathPlayer.
> >> But so far we have been using the Focus 40 with JAWS. (I thought it only
> >> worked with JAWS). With JAWS we do get the Braille for the regular text
> >> in
> >> the Word file, but when it reaches the Math it displays its spelling in
> >> Braille rather than the Nemeth symbols.For example it would display
> "five
> >> plus five" and so on.
> >> Will try the Focus 40 with NVDA and try what you suggested.
> >> But could you also tell me which Refreshable Braillers work best and are
> >> used to display Nemeth with MathPlayer + NVDA to read MathType Equations
> >> directly from your Word file ?
> >> Rebecca
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
> >> Sent: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 01:42:08 GMT+0530
> >> To: Rebecca Maria Carvalho <rebecca at xrcvc.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws
> screen
> >> reader,
> >>
> >> NVDA asks MathPlayer for the braille and then sends it to the braille
> >> display. If NVDA supports the Focus 4, then it should work. According to
> >> their documentation, all Focus displays are supported. If you aren't
> >> getting braille for text in a Word document, then their is some problem
> >> with your NVDA/braille display setup.
> >>
> >> If you do get braille for regular text and can hear the math speech when
> >> moving to math, then you should be getting braille for the math. One
> >> thing
> >> to check is to make sure Braille is set to Nemeth -- see the MathPlayer
> >> manual on how to check/set the value (it defaults to Nemeth).
> >>
> >> Neil Soiffer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Rebecca Maria Carvalho &
> >> lt;rebecca at xrcvc.org> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> Regarding point 4 in your email, you mentioned that MathType's equations
> >> in Word can be read in Nemeth on Refreshable Braille displays with NVDA
> +
> >> Math Player.
> >> Which Refreshable Braille Display can be used for this?And how would one
> >> go about it ?
> >> I have tried reading MathType Equations from Word on the Focus 40
> >> Refreshable Braille Display, but it did not display Nemeth.
> >> We have been looking for the solution to this for a while but have not
> >> been able to find any Refreshable Braille Display that displays Nemeth
> >> Braille Code.Please do let us know.
> >> Rebecca
> >> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
> >>
> >> From: Neil Soiffer via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:33:32 GMT+0530
> >> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics &
> >> lt;blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] {Spam?} math type accessibility with jaws
> >> screen
> >> reader,
> >>
> >> A few notes and clarifications about MathType:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. LaTeX is not the underlying language for MathType -- LaTeX
> along
> >> with
> >>
> >> MathML and a few other formats are alternative representations that
> >>
> >> MathType supports for import and export.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2. The translator from MathType to LaTeX is somewhat simple and puts in
> >> far
> >>
> >> more braces than are needed. It's easier to generate that way and legal
> >>
> >> LaTeX. It does unfortunately make it harder to read and listen to.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 3. If you type LaTeX and convert it to MathType, MathType will
> >> remember
> >>
> >> the original LaTeX and preserve it unless you edit the equation in
> >>
> >> MathType. So if you start with LaTeX without many braces, convert it to
> >>
> >> MathType and convert it back to LaTeX, it will look exactly the way you
> >>
> >> typed it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 4. If you can't see normal math notation, a VERY big advantage of
> >> using
> >>
> >> Word+MathType+NVDA+MathPlayer when entering LaTeX is that once you
> >> convert
> >>
> >> the LaTeX to normal math notation, it can be read by NVDA+MathPlayer and
> >>
> >> displayed in Nemeth on a refreshible braille display. That's important
> >>
> >> because you have no way of knowing if you made a mistake in typing the
> >>
> >> LaTeX without getting that feedback. Making occasional mistakes in LaTeX
> >>
> >> happens to everyone, so getting feedback via sight, sound, or touch is
> >>
> >> really important if you want to make sure others understand what you
> >> wrote.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 5. AFAIK, JAWS does not support speaking/brailling math in Word
> >> documents.
> >>
> >> If that has changed in the last year, please let me and others on the
> >> list
> >>
> >> know.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I hope that clarifies a few things,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Neil Soiffer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Louis Maher via Blindmath <
> >>
> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi Doug,
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I borrow the document I sent the list from another person. I
> >> did not write
> >>
> >> > it, and I can't answer questions on its syntax. I am just
> >> starting to
> >>
> >> > learn
> >>
> >> > Latex and MathType.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I do not know if it matters, but I am a JAWS user.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I was able to turn the equation image into Latex and back to an
> >> image
> >> by
> >>
> >> > using alt+. When I was looking at the Latex version of the
> >> equation, I
> >>
> >> > moved the cursor onto the first $ and hit alt+, and the equation
> >> turned
> >>
> >> > back into an image. I am using Office 2016, JAWS 18, and
> >> MathType 6.9.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Regards
> >>
> >> > Louis Maher
> >>
> >> > Phone: 713-444-7838
> >>
> >> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Doug
> >>
> >> > and
> >>
> >> > Molly Miron via Blindmath
> >>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:16 PM
> >>
> >> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> >>
> >> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >>
> >> > Cc: Doug and Molly Miron <mndmrn at hbci.com>
> >>
> >> > Subject: [Blindmath] {Spam?} Re: math type accessibility with jaws
> >> screen
> >>
> >> > reader,
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Good day Louis,
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I'm new to TeX and LaTeX and found your message very helpful.
> >> I
> >> didn't
> >>
> >> > know
> >>
> >> > that TeX is the underlying language for MathType. Also, it
> >> took
> >> me a while
> >>
> >> > to discover that alt+ is alt+[backslash] because NVDA doesn't read
> >> the
> >>
> >> > character unless I single-step through it. After reading your
> >> example
> >>
> >> > document, I opened, in current versions of Word, MathType and
> >> MathPlayer, a
> >>
> >> > document I'd written several years ago inold versions of Word and
> >> MathType.
> >>
> >> > The alt+ brought out the underlying TeX, but it wouldn't convert
> >> back. In
> >>
> >> > your example and my old document, exponents are heavily braced,
> even
> >> when
> >>
> >> > there is only one character. Why is this? In your
> e-mail
> >> integral example
> >>
> >> > it seems you got away with minimal bracing. The letter "n"
> >> seems to be
> >>
> >> > used
> >>
> >> > as a filler in multi-line equations. Can yoou recommend a
> >> reference for
> >>
> >> > math type-setting in TeX or LaTeX? Thanks.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Regards,
> >>
> >> > Doug Miron
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> > From: Louis Maher via Blindmath
> >>
> >> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:05 PM
> >>
> >> > To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> >>
> >> > Cc: Louis Maher ; 'tolga karatas'
> >>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> >> reader,
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Hello Tolga,
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > If you are willing to learn LaTex, MathType is accessible for the
> >> blind
> >>
> >> > with
> >>
> >> > JAWS. Here is a message I received from Neil Soiffer (I do
> not
> >> have a
> >>
> >> > current e-mail address for Neil). Note that while he talks
> >> about NVDA,
> >>
> >> > MathTypes works well in JAWS.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I do not think you need MathPlayer in JAWS.
> >>
> >> > -----
> >>
> >> > "You can use Word+NVDA+MathPlayer+MathType to author and read math
> >> if
> >> you
> >>
> >> > are willing to learn the math component of LaTeX. If you already
> >> have
> >> a
> >>
> >> > document with math in it, then the above combination will work for
> >> *reading
> >>
> >> > *and navigating the math by speech. If you want to author math,
> then
> >> in
> >>
> >> > Word
> >>
> >> > you can type in some LaTeX between $ $ and use MathType to convert
> >> that
> >>
> >> > into
> >>
> >> > MathType math (so it looks nice), which can then be spoken and
> >> navigated.
> >>
> >> > Given that it is easy to make a mistake in LaTeX, hearing the math
> >> gives
> >>
> >> > you
> >>
> >> > a way to know that you have typed it correctly. If you didn't, then
> >> you
> >>
> >> > convert it back into LaTeX and edit it and listen again.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > FYI: changing between LaTeX and vice-versa is done with ""Toggle
> >> TeX""
> >>
> >> > which
> >>
> >> > has the keyboard shortcut alt+. As the name ""Toggle"" implies,
> alt+
> >> will
> >>
> >> > also change the MathType equation back to TeX.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Here is a concrete example, if you want to write ""the integral
> from
> >> 0 to
> >>
> >> > 10
> >>
> >> > of x times e to the negative 2x power, d x"", you would type into
> >> Word:
> >>
> >> > $int_0^{10} x e^{-2 x} dx$ alt+
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Press left arrow to move before the math to make NVDA read the math
> >> to you.
> >>
> >> > If you made a mistake, type alt+ and move right to edit the LaTeX.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > FYI: when I initially typed the example, I made a common TeX error
> >> of
> >> not
> >>
> >> > putting the ""10"" inside of {}s. Be careful to add braces to any
> >> subscript
> >>
> >> > or superscript that is more than one character.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Neil Soiffer
> >>
> >> > Use insert equations to start entering an equation.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > -----
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > If you are on the image of an equation, you type alt+backslash and
> >> the
> >>
> >> > equation will be converted to LaTex, and you can read and change
> it.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I have attached an example file to try this.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I am just beginning to learn this.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Regards
> >>
> >> > Louis Maher
> >>
> >> > Phone: 713-444-7838
> >>
> >> > E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> tolga
> >>
> >> > karatas via Blindmath
> >>
> >> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:45 PM
> >>
> >> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >>
> >> > Cc: tolga karatas <tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> > Subject: [Blindmath] math type accessibility with jaws screen
> >> reader,
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Dear Sir/madam,
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I am a visually impaired studying a degree in BSC Business
> >> Information
> >>
> >> > technology:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I would like to use Math Type with a screen reader called Jaws, but
> >> jaws
> >>
> >> > isn't user friendly with math type due to LaTEX not being user
> >> friendly
> >>
> >> > either, how can I over come this challenge please? I really want to
> >> use
> >>
> >> > math
> >>
> >> > type with Jaws Screen reader, however, the accessibility is not
> >> their.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Can someone advise me as to how I can solve this problem/challenge
> >> please?
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Yours Faithfully,
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Tolga Karatas
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I am a blind student studying BSC Business Information Technology.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
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