[BlindMath] Giving presentations

Wed Oct 11 18:01:22 UTC 2017

Following on Jason's idea, one could prepare markdown files 1.txt,
2.txt, each of them would have exactly one slide, you would open them in
separate tabs of a text editor on one computer, on the other computer
you would have for example mathml version opened in browser, made in
such a way that you can use single shortcut to switch to next slide
(i.e. at the bottom of say 1.txt you would add a link to 2.html and
use CSS to add shortcut to it - it may sound like a lot of work but
it actually isn't at all).

The only disadvantege is that you would have to change to next slide
both on both computers, but I think it could work (or it could be a
starting point).

Best,
Lukasz

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:49:22 +0000
"White, Jason J via BlindMath" <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> With Markdown and Pandoc, you should be able to generate MathML
> content within the HTML - accessible both to screen readers and
> visually via browsers that support MathML (or browsers that don't but
> which can run scripts such as MathJax). There's at least one
> accessible interactive mathematics editor, but there aren't readily
> available and well established solutions to the problem of
> interactive entry/editing of mathematical content.
> 
> Another possibility might be an editor that shows LaTeX in one window
> and the rendered PDF in another - as long as the PDF can
> automatically be scrolled to keep up with the editing, and refreshed
> easily as changes are made.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:28 PM
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org> Cc: Godfrey, Jonathan
> > <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Giving
> > presentations
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Beamer is using a pdf so screen readers can't process the content
> > any better than any other pdf created using LaTeX. I've seen
> > several blind people use it, but they've needed to have an
> > extensive set of notes with the slide content for themselves.  I've
> > never given it serious consideration as a tool that works well for
> > blind people, and aside from  a few test documents as part of my
> > own experimentation, I've never created a real presentation using
> > beamer.
> >
> > I have used power point quite successfully, and still do if the
> > material from old courses is what I need to cover in a current
> > class. I needed to add alt tags to the graphics that were the
> > equations and several other modifications, but the slide show was
> > self-contained for me and the students alike. I have not created a
> > new power point for at least three years . In fact, I'm struggling
> > to work out when I last did so. I always relied on sighted support
> > to ensure the slide shows were good enough for the audience.
> >
> > I now use markdown to generate HTML. The content can be rendered as
> > a single long HTML document which I wander down just like any other
> > document, or I can turn it into a slidey presentation which has
> > proven quite accessible thus far.
> >
> > My primary reason for using markdown was the fact that I can
> > incorporate graphics and text output from R, but I would now do so
> > even if the presentation had no R content in it. My reasons are
> > mostly accessibility related. I know the math content is read to me
> > and I can move around my document quickly and effectively with my
> > screen reader. Being HTML means that if the students at the back
> > want the font larger, I can deliver that with the press of a couple
> > of keys. My reliance of sighted support has diminished as a
> > consequence. I have needed to get advice on the suitability of some
> > graphics for their readability but the rest is now done by me alone.
> >
> > With respect to writing on the board:
> >
> > I do it, but my writing is as untidy as anyone else's can get. I
> > always read what I'm writing as I write it. On a single board, I
> > use perhaps four lines of content with each line being quite large.
> > Writing large means mistakes of an inch are relatively minor in
> > comparison to the "font" size. I only need to keep track of how
> > many lines I have written thus far, which aren't going to be that
> > many in a stats course anyway. Copious equations would be in the
> > slides and not on the board.
> >
> > I also use every board the room has to offer. Perhaps the job I
> > have the most trouble with is the re-using of a board. My wiping
> > skills are sometimes lacking and occasionally it feels like my
> > thorough wiping endeavours are more of a gym work out than ought to
> > be the case. I do ask the class if the board  is clean enough
> > fairly often.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > Lukasz Grabowski via BlindMath
> > Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2017 3:14 a.m.
> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Łukasz Grabowski
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Giving presentations
> >
> > Maybe a naive question: why would beamer class in latex commonly
> > used by mathematics lecturers be unsuitable?
> >
> > Lukasz
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:57:58 -0400
> > Aqil Sajjad via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >  
> > > What do people use for giving lectures or presentations involving
> > > math, especially where you may also need to write some equations
> > > live while talking, as a sighted person would do on a board?
> > > Also, how is chatty infty for giving presentations?
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