[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 135, Issue 17
Tolga Karatas
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Tue Oct 31 12:09:09 UTC 2017
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> 1. Re: Nemeth code (Nicholas J)
> 2. Re: Nemeth Code (Sarah Jevnikar)
> 3. Re: Nemeth Code (kperry at blinksoft.com)
> 4. Re: Nemeth Code (Susan Jolly)
> 5. Re: Nemeth Code (Sarah Jevnikar)
> 6. Re: Nemeth Code (White, Jason J)
> 7. Re: Nemeth Code (Todd Schwanke)
> 8. Re: Nemeth Code (Derek Scott Riemer)
> 9. Re: Nemeth Code (David Andrews)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:00:57 -0400
> From: Nicholas J <314nick15 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth code
> Message-ID: <390CC8D4-5358-4DC5-91CC-89242A5B6B4C at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hello,
>
> Thank you for the emails. I mostly want to type nemeth code with a braille display. My math textbooks have the formulas in mathML, so it has been rendering well on the refreshable braille display. I have now been able to type nemeth code on my IOS device, but am not having any luck for typing it in Microsoft Word.
>
> Thank you,
> Nicholas
>
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 9:13 PM, Susan Jolly via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Do you just want to enter the braille cells for Nemeth or do you also want to use a process that converts (back translates) the Nemeth braille to print and/or spoken math?
>>
>> You can enter the six-dot braille cells either directly with six-key typing or with a full keyboard using a transliteration such as ASCII Braille.
>>
>> My understanding is that NVDA can't convert braille to speech directly, it has to back translate the braille to print and then convert the print to speech. In the case of print math, the print math has to be in a supported format such as MathML. Back translation requires the use of an appropriate table. I don't know whether NVDA provides such a table for Nemeth braille math or, if it does, how well it works.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> SusanJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:38:55 -0400
> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
> Message-ID: <59f763b0.8b816b0a.99e39.5510 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi again,
> My understanding with Nemetex was that Java and Windows were becoming
> increasingly incompatible, and they regretfully had to stop selling it. It's
> unfortunate, as translating Nemeth to text isn't readily available for
> advanced math.
>
> Anyway, to Nicholas's question. You have NVDA, which I assume you're using
> with Math Player. You may wish to get Math Type as well, as it can be
> helpful.
>
> Unfortunately, there isn't a Braille-in way to translate Nemeth to print, as
> there is for literary Braille using either JAWS or NVDA. There are a few
> work-arounds.
>
> There is a way to translate Nemeth to print math using Duxbury; let me know
> if you have this software. It works well, but not yet for advanced math
> beyond the high school level, and there are a few tricks to it.
>
> Learning LaTeX is a good idea - it's a typesetting language that's
> text-based and will allow you to create nicely-formatted documents. I
> wouldn't recommend it for your own notes though, as it can be a bit clunky
> and verbose for everyday reading, but for assignments and for anything a
> sighted person would have to read, it's essential.
>
> As Susan suggested, you can type it into Notepad for your own notes, so long
> as you make sure you're not typing with contracted input on. This would look
> like gibberish to a sighted reader, but would allow you to have readable
> Braille math for your own reference.
>
> I appreciate this is not entirely what you're looking for, but at least it
> will give you a start.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas
> J via BlindMath
> Sent: October 29, 2017 7:33 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Cc: Nicholas J
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>
> Hello,
>
> I forgot to mention that I also use NVDA as a screen reader with most math.
> I use Jaws with xhtml files I can open in a browser. I usually like to type
> the most on the braille display I use.
>
> Thank you,
> Nicholas
>
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Derek Scott Riemer
> <Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu> wrote:
>>
>> There is nemetex, but I can't find the website anymore. Wonder if the
> author just decided not to continue work on it and took it down?
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Nicholas J via BlindMath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the email Sarah. I use both Jaws and braille. I am
> relatively new to braille, but I have a Focus 14 braille display that I use
> often. I am looking to type and read math, if possible on both a windows
> computer and IOS device. I would like to type notes and also do homework
> having a lot of math content.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Nicholas
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> Just for clarification, are you looking to use print math and
>>>> create math in Nemeth code, or are you a Nemeth code user looking
>>>> for a way to use it on a mainstream PC? Do you use a screen reader
>>>> or Braille display? Or are your goals something else entirely? :)
>>>> This will help I/we give you more helpful answers.
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Nicholas J via BlindMath
>>>> Sent: October 28, 2017 9:59 AM
>>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Nicholas J
>>>> Subject: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to type nemeth code on a windows machine like in
>>>> Microsoft Word? If not, where is it possible to type nemeth code?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Nicholas
>>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:36:24 -0400
> From: <kperry at blinksoft.com>
> To: <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>, "'Blind Math list for those interested
> in mathematics'" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
> Message-ID: <006001d351ad$fe0d1a60$fa274f20$@blinksoft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> As a coder. I have to disagree with the statement that Java and windows
> were not compatible. I would be interested in talking to the coder of
> Nemetex if he is hanging around.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
> Jevnikar via BlindMath
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 1:39 PM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>
> Hi again,
> My understanding with Nemetex was that Java and Windows were becoming
> increasingly incompatible, and they regretfully had to stop selling it. It's
> unfortunate, as translating Nemeth to text isn't readily available for
> advanced math.
>
> Anyway, to Nicholas's question. You have NVDA, which I assume you're using
> with Math Player. You may wish to get Math Type as well, as it can be
> helpful.
>
> Unfortunately, there isn't a Braille-in way to translate Nemeth to print, as
> there is for literary Braille using either JAWS or NVDA. There are a few
> work-arounds.
>
> There is a way to translate Nemeth to print math using Duxbury; let me know
> if you have this software. It works well, but not yet for advanced math
> beyond the high school level, and there are a few tricks to it.
>
> Learning LaTeX is a good idea - it's a typesetting language that's
> text-based and will allow you to create nicely-formatted documents. I
> wouldn't recommend it for your own notes though, as it can be a bit clunky
> and verbose for everyday reading, but for assignments and for anything a
> sighted person would have to read, it's essential.
>
> As Susan suggested, you can type it into Notepad for your own notes, so long
> as you make sure you're not typing with contracted input on. This would look
> like gibberish to a sighted reader, but would allow you to have readable
> Braille math for your own reference.
>
> I appreciate this is not entirely what you're looking for, but at least it
> will give you a start.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas
> J via BlindMath
> Sent: October 29, 2017 7:33 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Cc: Nicholas J
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>
> Hello,
>
> I forgot to mention that I also use NVDA as a screen reader with most math.
> I use Jaws with xhtml files I can open in a browser. I usually like to type
> the most on the braille display I use.
>
> Thank you,
> Nicholas
>
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Derek Scott Riemer
> <Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu> wrote:
>>
>> There is nemetex, but I can't find the website anymore. Wonder if the
> author just decided not to continue work on it and took it down?
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Nicholas J via BlindMath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the email Sarah. I use both Jaws and braille. I am
> relatively new to braille, but I have a Focus 14 braille display that I use
> often. I am looking to type and read math, if possible on both a windows
> computer and IOS device. I would like to type notes and also do homework
> having a lot of math content.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Nicholas
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Sarah Jevnikar
>>>> <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> Just for clarification, are you looking to use print math and
>>>> create math in Nemeth code, or are you a Nemeth code user looking
>>>> for a way to use it on a mainstream PC? Do you use a screen reader
>>>> or Braille display? Or are your goals something else entirely? :)
>>>> This will help I/we give you more helpful answers.
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Nicholas J via BlindMath
>>>> Sent: October 28, 2017 9:59 AM
>>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Nicholas J
>>>> Subject: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to type nemeth code on a windows machine like in
>>>> Microsoft Word? If not, where is it possible to type nemeth code?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Nicholas
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindMath mailing list
>>>> BlindMath at nfbnet.org
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 08:40:10 -1000
> From: Susan Jolly <easjolly at ix.netcom.com>
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
> Message-ID: <D3F9308D-7362-405C-809C-086C8DF68FEA at ix.netcom.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> Microsoft Word is a rich text editor so not an ideal choice for creating a braille file which is plain text. You can save a Word file as a .txt file but using a plain text editor like Notepad would be a lot easier.
>
> HTH
> Susan J
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:45:02 -0400
> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> To: <kperry at blinksoft.com>, "'Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics'" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
> Message-ID: <59f7732e.08016b0a.30b02.477c at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I may be misinterpreting what I'd heard. The coder is a she; hopefully
> she'll get in touch.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kperry at blinksoft.com [mailto:kperry at blinksoft.com]
> Sent: October 30, 2017 2:36 PM
> To: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com; 'Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics'
> Subject: RE: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>
> As a coder. I have to disagree with the statement that Java and windows
> were not compatible. I would be interested in talking to the coder of
> Nemetex if he is hanging around.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
> Jevnikar via BlindMath
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 1:39 PM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>
> Hi again,
> My understanding with Nemetex was that Java and Windows were becoming
> increasingly incompatible, and they regretfully had to stop selling it. It's
> unfortunate, as translating Nemeth to text isn't readily available for
> advanced math.
>
> Anyway, to Nicholas's question. You have NVDA, which I assume you're using
> with Math Player. You may wish to get Math Type as well, as it can be
> helpful.
>
> Unfortunately, there isn't a Braille-in way to translate Nemeth to print, as
> there is for literary Braille using either JAWS or NVDA. There are a few
> work-arounds.
>
> There is a way to translate Nemeth to print math using Duxbury; let me know
> if you have this software. It works well, but not yet for advanced math
> beyond the high school level, and there are a few tricks to it.
>
> Learning LaTeX is a good idea - it's a typesetting language that's
> text-based and will allow you to create nicely-formatted documents. I
> wouldn't recommend it for your own notes though, as it can be a bit clunky
> and verbose for everyday reading, but for assignments and for anything a
> sighted person would have to read, it's essential.
>
> As Susan suggested, you can type it into Notepad for your own notes, so long
> as you make sure you're not typing with contracted input on. This would look
> like gibberish to a sighted reader, but would allow you to have readable
> Braille math for your own reference.
>
> I appreciate this is not entirely what you're looking for, but at least it
> will give you a start.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas
> J via BlindMath
> Sent: October 29, 2017 7:33 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Cc: Nicholas J
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>
> Hello,
>
> I forgot to mention that I also use NVDA as a screen reader with most math.
> I use Jaws with xhtml files I can open in a browser. I usually like to type
> the most on the braille display I use.
>
> Thank you,
> Nicholas
>
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Derek Scott Riemer
> <Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu> wrote:
>>
>> There is nemetex, but I can't find the website anymore. Wonder if the
> author just decided not to continue work on it and took it down?
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Nicholas J via BlindMath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the email Sarah. I use both Jaws and braille. I am
> relatively new to braille, but I have a Focus 14 braille display that I use
> often. I am looking to type and read math, if possible on both a windows
> computer and IOS device. I would like to type notes and also do homework
> having a lot of math content.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Nicholas
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Sarah Jevnikar
>>>> <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> Just for clarification, are you looking to use print math and
>>>> create math in Nemeth code, or are you a Nemeth code user looking
>>>> for a way to use it on a mainstream PC? Do you use a screen reader
>>>> or Braille display? Or are your goals something else entirely? :)
>>>> This will help I/we give you more helpful answers.
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Nicholas J via BlindMath
>>>> Sent: October 28, 2017 9:59 AM
>>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Nicholas J
>>>> Subject: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to type nemeth code on a windows machine like in
>>>> Microsoft Word? If not, where is it possible to type nemeth code?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Nicholas
>>>>
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>>
>>
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>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:25:49 +0000
> From: "White, Jason J" <jjwhite at ets.org>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Susan Jolly <easjolly at ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
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> It would be useful to configure the editor to wrap the text at 40 columns (or whatever the length of your braille display is). You could also write macros to facilitate alignment of text, which would be highly desirable in writing mathematical content.
>
> The Emacs editor would be an ideal environment for this, as might Eclipse, although I haven't had much experience with the latter and thus can't comment on its capabilities in detail.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Susan
>> Jolly via BlindMath
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:40 PM
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Susan Jolly <easjolly at ix.netcom.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>
>> Microsoft Word is a rich text editor so not an ideal choice for creating a braille
>> file which is plain text. You can save a Word file as a .txt file but using a plain
>> text editor like Notepad would be a lot easier.
>>
>> HTH
>> Susan J
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:02:16 +0000
> From: Todd Schwanke <todd.schwanke at wisc.edu>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
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> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
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> Nicholas:
>
> I looked a while back for the company that made Nemetex and couldn't find info on what happened to the company or the product. Here's a bit of info on the developer of Nemetex
> Nicole Torcolini
> https://news.cs.washington.edu/2013/08/01/uw-cse-accesscomputing-alumna-nicole-torcolini-profiled-by-ncwit/
>
> Other alternatives for Braille input include Braille notetakers such as the BrailleNote and Apex.
>
> As Sarah indicated, it's also not just a matter of what tools support Nemeth, but also the level of math they support When I last communicated with Nicole on the Nemetex product, she indicated that it was recommended only through basic calculus with small to medium sized documents.
>
> You may also want to check out Lean Math. This page has some links.
> http://access2science.com/indexAccessibility.html
>
> Todd Schwanke
> UW-Madison
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Jevnikar via BlindMath
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 1:45 PM
> To: kperry at blinksoft.com; 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics' <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>
> I may be misinterpreting what I'd heard. The coder is a she; hopefully she'll get in touch.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kperry at blinksoft.com [mailto:kperry at blinksoft.com]
> Sent: October 30, 2017 2:36 PM
> To: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com; 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: RE: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>
> As a coder. I have to disagree with the statement that Java and windows
> were not compatible. I would be interested in talking to the coder of
> Nemetex if he is hanging around.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Jevnikar via BlindMath
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 1:39 PM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>
> Hi again,
> My understanding with Nemetex was that Java and Windows were becoming increasingly incompatible, and they regretfully had to stop selling it. It's unfortunate, as translating Nemeth to text isn't readily available for advanced math.
>
> Anyway, to Nicholas's question. You have NVDA, which I assume you're using with Math Player. You may wish to get Math Type as well, as it can be helpful.
>
> Unfortunately, there isn't a Braille-in way to translate Nemeth to print, as there is for literary Braille using either JAWS or NVDA. There are a few work-arounds.
>
> There is a way to translate Nemeth to print math using Duxbury; let me know if you have this software. It works well, but not yet for advanced math beyond the high school level, and there are a few tricks to it.
>
> Learning LaTeX is a good idea - it's a typesetting language that's text-based and will allow you to create nicely-formatted documents. I wouldn't recommend it for your own notes though, as it can be a bit clunky and verbose for everyday reading, but for assignments and for anything a sighted person would have to read, it's essential.
>
> As Susan suggested, you can type it into Notepad for your own notes, so long as you make sure you're not typing with contracted input on. This would look like gibberish to a sighted reader, but would allow you to have readable Braille math for your own reference.
>
> I appreciate this is not entirely what you're looking for, but at least it will give you a start.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas J via BlindMath
> Sent: October 29, 2017 7:33 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Cc: Nicholas J
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>
> Hello,
>
> I forgot to mention that I also use NVDA as a screen reader with most math.
> I use Jaws with xhtml files I can open in a browser. I usually like to type the most on the braille display I use.
>
> Thank you,
> Nicholas
>
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Derek Scott Riemer
> <Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu> wrote:
>>
>> There is nemetex, but I can't find the website anymore. Wonder if the
> author just decided not to continue work on it and took it down?
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Nicholas J via BlindMath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the email Sarah. I use both Jaws and braille. I am
> relatively new to braille, but I have a Focus 14 braille display that I use often. I am looking to type and read math, if possible on both a windows computer and IOS device. I would like to type notes and also do homework having a lot of math content.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Nicholas
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Sarah Jevnikar
>>>> <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> Just for clarification, are you looking to use print math and
>>>> create math in Nemeth code, or are you a Nemeth code user looking
>>>> for a way to use it on a mainstream PC? Do you use a screen reader
>>>> or Braille display? Or are your goals something else entirely? :)
>>>> This will help I/we give you more helpful answers.
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Nicholas J via BlindMath
>>>> Sent: October 28, 2017 9:59 AM
>>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Nicholas J
>>>> Subject: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to type nemeth code on a windows machine like in
>>>> Microsoft Word? If not, where is it possible to type nemeth code?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Nicholas
>>>>
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>>
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>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:01:19 -0600
> From: Derek Scott Riemer <Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
> Message-ID:
> <CAA1mknBHb+_5htNzJPQHkCfupQkDeVL9irAYCKEtW3XVpWHb4A at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> It was a she, and I have to wonder why she couldn't compile it for java
> jre8 instead of jre7.
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Ken Perry via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> As a coder. I have to disagree with the statement that Java and windows
>> were not compatible. I would be interested in talking to the coder of
>> Nemetex if he is hanging around.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
>> Jevnikar via BlindMath
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 1:39 PM
>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>
>> Hi again,
>> My understanding with Nemetex was that Java and Windows were becoming
>> increasingly incompatible, and they regretfully had to stop selling it.
>> It's
>> unfortunate, as translating Nemeth to text isn't readily available for
>> advanced math.
>>
>> Anyway, to Nicholas's question. You have NVDA, which I assume you're using
>> with Math Player. You may wish to get Math Type as well, as it can be
>> helpful.
>>
>> Unfortunately, there isn't a Braille-in way to translate Nemeth to print,
>> as
>> there is for literary Braille using either JAWS or NVDA. There are a few
>> work-arounds.
>>
>> There is a way to translate Nemeth to print math using Duxbury; let me know
>> if you have this software. It works well, but not yet for advanced math
>> beyond the high school level, and there are a few tricks to it.
>>
>> Learning LaTeX is a good idea - it's a typesetting language that's
>> text-based and will allow you to create nicely-formatted documents. I
>> wouldn't recommend it for your own notes though, as it can be a bit clunky
>> and verbose for everyday reading, but for assignments and for anything a
>> sighted person would have to read, it's essential.
>>
>> As Susan suggested, you can type it into Notepad for your own notes, so
>> long
>> as you make sure you're not typing with contracted input on. This would
>> look
>> like gibberish to a sighted reader, but would allow you to have readable
>> Braille math for your own reference.
>>
>> I appreciate this is not entirely what you're looking for, but at least it
>> will give you a start.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Nicholas
>> J via BlindMath
>> Sent: October 29, 2017 7:33 PM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Cc: Nicholas J
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that I also use NVDA as a screen reader with most math.
>> I use Jaws with xhtml files I can open in a browser. I usually like to type
>> the most on the braille display I use.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Nicholas
>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Derek Scott Riemer
>> <Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is nemetex, but I can't find the website anymore. Wonder if the
>> author just decided not to continue work on it and took it down?
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Nicholas J via BlindMath
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the email Sarah. I use both Jaws and braille. I am
>> relatively new to braille, but I have a Focus 14 braille display that I use
>> often. I am looking to type and read math, if possible on both a windows
>> computer and IOS device. I would like to type notes and also do homework
>> having a lot of math content.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Nicholas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Sarah Jevnikar
>>>>> <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>> Just for clarification, are you looking to use print math and
>>>>> create math in Nemeth code, or are you a Nemeth code user looking
>>>>> for a way to use it on a mainstream PC? Do you use a screen reader
>>>>> or Braille display? Or are your goals something else entirely? :)
>>>>> This will help I/we give you more helpful answers.
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Nicholas J via BlindMath
>>>>> Sent: October 28, 2017 9:59 AM
>>>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Nicholas J
>>>>> Subject: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible to type nemeth code on a windows machine like in
>>>>> Microsoft Word? If not, where is it possible to type nemeth code?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Nicholas
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> BlindMath mailing list
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:39:10 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>, Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
> Message-ID: <auto-000092515588 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> I think she is on one of our lists, at least one, NFBCS I think,
> although it could be gui-talk.
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/ for all lists.
>
> Dave
>
> At 05:02 PM 10/30/2017, Todd Schwanke via BlindMath wrote:
>> Nicholas:
>>
>> I looked a while back for the company that made Nemetex and couldn't
>> find info on what happened to the company or the product. Here's a
>> bit of info on the developer of Nemetex
>> Nicole Torcolini
>> https://news.cs.washington.edu/2013/08/01/uw-cse-accesscomputing-alumna-nicole-torcolini-profiled-by-ncwit/
>>
>> Other alternatives for Braille input include Braille notetakers such
>> as the BrailleNote and Apex.
>>
>> As Sarah indicated, it's also not just a matter of what tools
>> support Nemeth, but also the level of math they support When I
>> last communicated with Nicole on the Nemetex product, she indicated
>> that it was recommended only through basic calculus with small to
>> medium sized documents.
>>
>> You may also want to check out Lean Math. This page has some links.
>> http://access2science.com/indexAccessibility.html
>>
>> Todd Schwanke
>> UW-Madison
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Sarah Jevnikar via BlindMath
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 1:45 PM
>> To: kperry at blinksoft.com; 'Blind Math list for those interested in
>> mathematics' <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>
>> I may be misinterpreting what I'd heard. The coder is a she;
>> hopefully she'll get in touch.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kperry at blinksoft.com [mailto:kperry at blinksoft.com]
>> Sent: October 30, 2017 2:36 PM
>> To: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com; 'Blind Math list for those interested
>> in mathematics'
>> Subject: RE: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>
>> As a coder. I have to disagree with the statement that Java and windows
>> were not compatible. I would be interested in talking to the coder of
>> Nemetex if he is hanging around.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Sarah Jevnikar via BlindMath
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 1:39 PM
>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>
>> Hi again,
>> My understanding with Nemetex was that Java and Windows were
>> becoming increasingly incompatible, and they regretfully had to stop
>> selling it. It's unfortunate, as translating Nemeth to text isn't
>> readily available for advanced math.
>>
>> Anyway, to Nicholas's question. You have NVDA, which I assume you're
>> using with Math Player. You may wish to get Math Type as well, as it
>> can be helpful.
>>
>> Unfortunately, there isn't a Braille-in way to translate Nemeth to
>> print, as there is for literary Braille using either JAWS or NVDA.
>> There are a few work-arounds.
>>
>> There is a way to translate Nemeth to print math using Duxbury; let
>> me know if you have this software. It works well, but not yet for
>> advanced math beyond the high school level, and there are a few tricks to it.
>>
>> Learning LaTeX is a good idea - it's a typesetting language that's
>> text-based and will allow you to create nicely-formatted documents.
>> I wouldn't recommend it for your own notes though, as it can be a
>> bit clunky and verbose for everyday reading, but for assignments and
>> for anything a sighted person would have to read, it's essential.
>>
>> As Susan suggested, you can type it into Notepad for your own notes,
>> so long as you make sure you're not typing with contracted input on.
>> This would look like gibberish to a sighted reader, but would allow
>> you to have readable Braille math for your own reference.
>>
>> I appreciate this is not entirely what you're looking for, but at
>> least it will give you a start.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Nicholas J via BlindMath
>> Sent: October 29, 2017 7:33 PM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Cc: Nicholas J
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that I also use NVDA as a screen reader with most math.
>> I use Jaws with xhtml files I can open in a browser. I usually like
>> to type the most on the braille display I use.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Nicholas
>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Derek Scott Riemer
>> <Derek.Riemer at colorado.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is nemetex, but I can't find the website anymore. Wonder if the
>> author just decided not to continue work on it and took it down?
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Nicholas J via BlindMath
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the email Sarah. I use both Jaws and braille. I am
>> relatively new to braille, but I have a Focus 14 braille display
>> that I use often. I am looking to type and read math, if possible on
>> both a windows computer and IOS device. I would like to type notes
>> and also do homework having a lot of math content.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Nicholas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Sarah Jevnikar
>>>>> <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>> Just for clarification, are you looking to use print math and
>>>>> create math in Nemeth code, or are you a Nemeth code user looking
>>>>> for a way to use it on a mainstream PC? Do you use a screen reader
>>>>> or Braille display? Or are your goals something else entirely? :)
>>>>> This will help I/we give you more helpful answers.
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Nicholas J via BlindMath
>>>>> Sent: October 28, 2017 9:59 AM
>>>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Nicholas J
>>>>> Subject: [BlindMath] Nemeth Code
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible to type nemeth code on a windows machine like in
>>>>> Microsoft Word? If not, where is it possible to type nemeth code?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Nicholas
>>>>>
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>>> --
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>>>
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Nicholas, okay i will forward you an wmaol qhere you xan subacribe to a mailing list for liblouis, however i would recommend you speek to freedom scientific in the first instance
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