[BlindMath] 3 Dimensional Graphs

Fri Apr 6 09:06:10 UTC 2018

Hello,
Do you have a video on how to use math tracks? It is not clear at all from
any documentation I read that you can listen to the graphs.
Desmos, however, does have good documentation on their audio graphs:
https://www.desmos.com/accessibility
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> There is a program called math tracks that does it. You put in equations
> and it makes a graph. There is also an app called voice and a computer
> program called seeing with sound that can translate any picture into sound.
> Math tracks is a bit better for grass though because you can get
> information on. Some things. The problem I had in school though was that no
> one else knew how to use it to create audio graphs so I was just given
> tactile graphs that I could not read. I was able to understand two
> dimensional graphs with this set up. But what that means is that I
> understand them exactly the shape they are so you still cannot get a
> three-dimensional object that is a two dimensional picture and have me
> listen to it and understand it. I have been able to make recordings of
> three-dimensional objects with binaural microphones.
>
> Sabra Ewing
>
> > On Apr 5, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Donald Winiecki via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Sabra, what software have you used to convert two-dimensional graphs to
> > sound?
> >
> > _don
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Sabra Ewing via BlindMath <
> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> If you are good with sound editing, I would recommend making 3-D audio
> >> recordings of the graphs. There are programs that can import two
> >> dimensional pictures and convert them into sound, but maybe you could
> >> convert one of these programs to work for three-dimensional items or
> find a
> >> method to do that on your own. You cannot get a three dimensional graph
> >> that is actually two dimensional and import it into one of these
> programs
> >> though because it will not work. For example, I cube or just be like a
> >> bunch of squares, dotted lines, and diamonds. You would need to use
> >> binaural sound and actually make it be three-dimensional. How you would
> do
> >> this, I don't know, but audio really is your best bet. You will be able
> to
> >> understand graphs with a Percision that you will not be able to with a
> 3-D
> >> printer. You will be able to experience graphs as they move around and
> >> rotate and change. If you cannot get this method to work, the only other
> >> thing I can suggest is to have a reader or assistant look at the graphs
> and
> >> reproduce them with modeling clay and braille labels. Depending on how
> >> invested you are, 3-D printers are getting more affordable. I think you
> can
> >> get one for between 500 and $1000. If I were doing this, I would want a
> >> three-dimensional model I could I feel as well as a three-dimensional
> audio
> >> version so that I could listen and feel at the same time.
> >>
> >> Sabra Ewing
> >>
> >>> On Apr 5, 2018, at 9:21 AM, Michael Link via BlindMath <
> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That is exactly my trouble. What an interesting idea.
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 5, 2018, at 4:21 AM, Robin Williams via BlindMath <
> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a friend who has experimented in such matters, particularly
> >> making shapes encountered in topology. The main problem with 3D printing
> >> appears to be the expense, as one tends to need larger objects
> depending on
> >> the level of detail. It should be possible to produce something
> relatively
> >> cheaply for standard surfaces, though.
> >>>> There are R packages available that can readily produce the files
> >> needed for 3D printing.
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree this is worthy of further investigation. Attempting to
> >> understand contour plots was certainly one of the most difficult
> problems I
> >> encountered in my undergraduate and postgraduate work.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bests,
> >>>> Robin
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Godfrey, Jonathan via BlindMath
> >>>> Sent: 05 April 2018 03:29
> >>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> >> blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Cc: Godfrey, Jonathan <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] 3 Dimensional Graphs
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd love to see some more done on creating such graphs using a 3d
> >> printer.
> >>>>
> >>>> I haven't yet had a chance to exercise this interest to date, but
> >> creating 3d printer ready image files for statistical graphs is on my
> to-do
> >> list.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jonathan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Michael Link via BlindMath
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2018 2:10 p.m.
> >>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >>>> Cc: Michael Link <michaelllink1 at gmail.com>
> >>>> Subject: [BlindMath] 3 Dimensional Graphs
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi All!
> >>>>
> >>>> I’m an undergraduate mathematics student who is struggling with
> >> figuring out the best assistive tech to use for understanding 3
> Dimensional
> >> graphs.  Do any of you recommend certain programs or devices for graphs
> in
> >> three dimensions?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>> Michael
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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