[BlindMath] [Blind Math] Accessible Calculators:
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Sun Dec 2 01:12:35 UTC 2018
Ok I think you miss understood my answer. You said they only said TI-83 so I was saying the TI-84 is no different. Just so you know because judging by your answer you didn’t, I am one of the project leaders on the Orion TI-84 Plus and I work at APH. Now to clear up the other thing. The Orion TI-84 is exactly the TI-84 so to me it is not even a near same calculator it is the same calculator. It would be like you saying windows 10 is not windows 10 because Jaws or NVDA is giving you the access. The hardware on top of the TI-84 is a computer that gives you access to the TI-84. Now if you start talking about the TI-84 C and or TI-84 CE then your in a slightly different calculator because they have different upgraded firmware, colors, and faster processors. With that said though when it comes to using them in schools the Orion TI-84 plus and all the TI-84 family work exactly the same. With the one difference that has already been mentioned. That is the graphical MathPrint mode is not supported by the Orion screen reader. Again that is like saying a graphic PDF is not supported by a screen reader. The graphic PDF can be read it just takes you interacting with it in a different way. In the same way the MathPrint mode is not needed because you can do everything else in classic mode just a slight bit different.
Ken
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Hi Ken!
Yes, they are almost the same calculator. But the one that the APH sells offers the ability to have it talk to you and also gives you audio graphics. This is why I was recamended the TI84 calculator. This is also why I’m trying to understand it’s capibilities because I don’t want to just get that calculator only to discover that it’s not going to work for me.
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On Nov 29, 2018, at 03:32, Ken Perry via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
Kendra. When I went to your Colleges web site and checked on what
calculators they recommend their students to use. It says that they
recommend either a TI-83 or TI-84. . I found it on their math departments
page at:
https://www.chemeketa.edu/programs-classes/program-finder/mathematics/
You have to expand the tab for which calculator then the calculator help
tab. So the Orion TI-84 should be accepted as well.. I think maybe who
ever you talked with didn't know they are pretty much the same calculator
but the 83 is older.
Ken
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] [Blind Math] Accessible Calculators:
Hi all!
I also forgot to add that it was my educational team that suggested I look
into the TI84 graphic calculator for school. In fact, when I was in my last
meeting with my team, it was yesterday morning at Chemeketa Community
College which is the school I'm starting my degree at.
Thank you for taking the time to read this Email!
Blessed be!!!
Kendra Schaber
Chemeketa Community College,
350 Org,
Citizen's Climate Lobby,
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon.
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Hello, I was told that I could not use my Orion TI 84 calculator in school.
On Nov 28, 2018, at 21:20, Ken Perry via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org> >
wrote:
I didn't say they are not allowed in schools. They are not allowed on
standardized tests. In fact no calculator with a real keyboard (qwerty), no
calculator with a speaker, no calculator with wireless, and no calculator
that can not have its memory wiped before the test can be used in high
stakes testing. There are other weird things but those are some of the big
ones. You can get wavers if for example you have to use a laptop but then
the test proctors might sit behind you and make sure your not pulling up the
text book as you take your test. Just search for what is allowed on standard
math tests in the uSA and you will find it online. I think your country also
has similar standards.
ken
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Cc: Santiago Velasquez <zanty410 at gmail.com <mailto:zanty410 at gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessible Calculators:
HI Ken, thanks for your response.
I was not aware that software calculators were not allowed in schools in
the USA. I am based in Australia.
I do have to agree with you regarding one thing. If you only need to pass
your degree, software calculators are a little bit harder to learn at the
beginning. However, if you do plan to continue with Maths after your degree,
a software calculator is much better in the long term.
Regards
Santi
On 28 Nov 2018, at 9:42 pm, Ken Perry via BlindMath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
The major problem with the software calculators is they are not allowed
on standardized tests in schools. The second problem is you spend a lot of
time learning the tool such as matlab etc and not doing your course work.
You probably should learn more powerful tools if you're going to continue on
with math but if your just doing math as a means to get a degree and you're
not interested in sticking with math learning something like matlab is
overkill. The Orion TI-84 is designed using the TI-84 because still to this
day most math books are using it as the examples. Most math classes across
the USA are using it as the base tool. This means a blind student doesn't
need to do anything different. As Bill said the only difference is the
MathPrint mode is not yet supported on the Orion TI-84. That is just a
graphical system to do problems as they are printed on paper. The calculator
loses no functionality with out that mode so you can do everything your
counter parts in class are doing and the instructor in most cases does not
have to even change the way instruction is done. You can get up and running
with the Orion TI-84 in no time. I would say the only weird thing about the
Orion TI-84 is you have to charge the top part and put batteries in the
bottom part. That confuses some people because if the calculator stops
talking they sometimes don't understand they have to keep the top part
charge to keep it talking while the batteries in the bottom part keep the
TI-84 going. With that said the Orion TI-84 is not hard to learn when you
are in a class that is using it. It is not hard to learn if you are using it
on your own for that matter. It is just easier to learn when your in a class
where everyone else is using the same tools.
Ken
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessible Calculators:
Hi Kendra,
Have you considered looking at software calculators instead. Something
like MatLab.
In the long term they will provide more flexibility, and from experience
they are more accessible. I personally use MatLab for my engineering degree,
and I just cannot justify the handheld calculators.
regards
Santi
On 28 Nov 2018, at 6:59 am, Kendra Schaber via BlindMath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
Hi all! I'm required to use an IT83 in my math class in January. I was
also recamended to work with the APH TI84 because it has the added talking
peace added onto it. Unfortunently, when I talked with my education team
just before lunch, the APH Ti84 got some sceptisism and my technology
teacher also didn't get enough good reviews regarding this calculator. Has
anyone used it in math class? If so, what are your experiences with the APH
TI84 graphic calculator with the talking peace added to it? How did it work
for you? Were you able to use it independently and without problems? If not,
what are the problems? How did you get around those problems? Are there
areas where you have to have sited help with this calculator? Can you use it
out of the box? Did a sited person have to set it up for you? Even more
importantly, are you able to use the whole calculator without sited help?
The more I know about this calculator, the marrier!!! I need to educate my
education team myself on this matter.
Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail!
Blessed be!!!
Kendra Schaber,
Chemeketa Community College,
350 Org,
Citizen's Climate Lobby,
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem,
Oregon.
Home email:
Redwing731 at gmail.com <mailto:Redwing731 at gmail.com>
Chemeketa Community College Email:
Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu <mailto:Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu>
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