[BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 144, Issue 15
tolga karatas
tolga.karatas2014 at gmail.com
Thu Jul 19 13:15:01 UTC 2018
hi alberto;
the team responsible for math type; and math player; are; a company
called design science; their details are as gfollows; I mean email
details;
support at desci.com;
if you need more info; please let me know;
Kind Regards;
Tolga;
you can contact me off list;
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> 1. Re: Help with NVDA and MathML (Alberto Ortiz)
> 2. Re: Help with NVDA and MathML (Bob Mathews)
> 3. Re: Help with NVDA and MathML (Alberto Ortiz)
> 4. Re: BlindMath Digest, Vol 144, Issue 14 (Elise Berkley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 10:18:42 -0300
> From: Alberto Ortiz <alberto.ortiz.mendes at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Help with NVDA and MathML
> Message-ID:
> <CAGf5cMzWr7pEkJUjwviO7ZnsGuPOinYMje30=h6MwK3yeGYXVQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Thanks again Steve!!! Thanks Joseph!!!
>
> I tried to read MathJax using Chrome Vox, but i did not succeed.
>
> I will try with MathJax A11y extension in Chrome that Joseph recommended.
>
>
> One more thing,
>
> I know that the Mathplayer is for free. it will be hard to add a new
> language to MathPlayer?
> Anybody know the team that are responsbile for the MathPlayer, that i can
> enter in conctact with them?
>
>
> Thanks again!!
>
>
> Alberto Ortiz
>
>
> 2018-07-16 19:00 GMT-03:00 Joseph Polizzotto via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org>:
>
>> Hi Everyone:
>>
>> Last I had tried navigating MathJax rendered equations, I used Shift +
>> SpaceBar to open the MathJax menu. From there, I used the arrow keys to
>> navigate to the extension menu item and activate it. I had more success
>> using the MathJax A11y extension in Chrome.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:15 AM Noble,Stephen L. via BlindMath <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Sorry that Portuguese did not find its way into MathPlayer. I do see
>> > that
>> > the MathJax localization does include Portuguese, so if the page in
>> > question uses MathJax to serve the math, then you might be able to get
>> > it
>> > to work. There's a way to turn on the accessibility extension in
>> > MathJax,
>> > but you may need to check the documentation to figure ouit how to do
>> that.
>> > Perhaps here:
>> > http://docs.mathjax.org/en/latest/misc/accessibility-features.html
>> >
>> >
>> > --Steve Noble
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Alberto Ortiz <alberto.ortiz.mendes at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:00 PM
>> > To: Noble,Stephen L.
>> > Cc: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Help with NVDA and MathML
>> >
>> > Thanks Steve
>> >
>> > I installed Mathplayer, now i can read some formulas on Internet
>> Explorer,
>> > but for some reason i still cant read on Mozzila.
>> >
>> > But now i realize that MathPlayer dont have Portuguese on his
>> > languages,
>> > is there anyway of reading formulas with NVDA without using MathPlayer.
>> >
>> >
>> > - --Alberto Ortiz
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Em Seg, 16 de jul de 2018 14:56, Noble,Stephen L. <
>> > steve.noble at louisville.edu<mailto:steve.noble at louisville.edu>>
>> > escreveu:
>> >
>> > If you are finding that NVDA is not reading the math expressions, be
>> > sure
>> > that you have MathPlayer installed on your PC. Here's the direct
>> > download
>> > link: https://www.dessci.com/en/dl/MathPlayerSetup.exe<
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>> dessci.com_en_dl_MathPlayerSetup.exe&d=DwMFaQ&c=
>> OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>> 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=
>> csOtbkkIRpVXtwudVasf6FC5jGDPy0Aw95kmDwLt-9Q&s=
>> BJzi4fGs8TS1mMvwQtBBJSpIfwyZp1xo7uUYqi2NgWA&e=
>> > >
>> >
>> > You can read more about MathPlayer on this page:
>> > https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/download.htm<
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>> dessci.com_en_products_mathplayer_download.htm&d=DwMFaQ&c=
>> OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>> 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=
>> csOtbkkIRpVXtwudVasf6FC5jGDPy0Aw95kmDwLt-9Q&s=OE-
>> YPvhxRf50qOQJMR7D4ECcl4J9utQz0vqUd6e7g7k&e=
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hope that helps,
>> >
>> >
>> > --Steve Noble
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> > blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>> on behalf of Alberto Ortiz via BlindMath
>> <
>> > blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
>> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 8:32 AM
>> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: Alberto Ortiz
>> > Subject: [BlindMath] Help with NVDA and MathML
>> >
>> > Hi everyone!
>> >
>> > I?m Alberto, and I work with Math texts in a VEL (Virtual Environment
>> > Learning) called
>> > Canvas and need NVDA to read formulas in this platform. However, Canvas
>> > sees LaTex as
>> > an image which NVDA cannot read. So far I?ve described all formulas
>> > like
>> > text from image
>> > attributes, so NVDA can read it. However, I need to find another way of
>> > doing this reading
>> > but run into the issues as follows.
>> >
>> >
>> > 1) Using of MathML
>> > I?ve looked in the old threads and, as far as I know, NVDA can read
>> > pages
>> > that use
>> > MathML. In YouTube, I?ve found a video that shows the reading being
>> > made:
>> >
>> >
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>> youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dckx-2Djl99Iic&d=DwIGaQ&c=
>> OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>> 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>> eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=bn6ozpu7vH2X5PjrOhSY_
>> QzlzgaBGdR0Q4JVM1NtPr4&e=
>> >
>> > I?ve installed NVDA to test this reading, but I couldn?t read it
>> properly.
>> > Therefore, I
>> > tried to read this page that is using MathML and I also failed:
>> >
>> >
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>> freedomscientific.com_content_html_jawshq_MathML-2DSamples.
>> html&d=DwIGaQ&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>> 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>> eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=3ruHgaNQTW6aZALzqbbCNXqKnwk-
>> rldmu2dg_CWni7I&e=
>> >
>> > I use Firefox and the page loads correctly but NVDA doesn?t recognize
>> > the
>> > formulas
>> > and reads them as a normal text. In the third topic, for example, it
>> can?t
>> > recognize
>> > fractions. It reads them, again, as a text.
>> > Maybe I need some sort of NVDA?s plugin to do this reading?
>> >
>> > 2) Describing formulas
>> > Does any standard exist to describe formulas? I have difficulties to
>> > describe limits,
>> > matrixes and equations. Now, we?re describing formulas and making tests
>> > with a
>> > blind person to check if he can read, but we really need a describing
>> > template.
>> >
>> > Does
>> > anyone know if any type of template exists for it?
>> >
>> >
>> > Another and last thing: is there any page with examples of accessible
>> math
>> > texts? If
>> > they exist, do you know where I can consult them?
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BlindMath mailing list
>> > BlindMath at nfbnet.org<mailto:BlindMath at nfbnet.org>
>> >
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.
>> org_mailman_listinfo_blindmath-5Fnfbnet.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=
>> OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>> 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>> eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=PuLT9LcN_ZdrAKdBbOFGQQA9xftIHHIxnSul_
>> 3odqxU&e=
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > BlindMath:
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>> org_mailman_options_blindmath-5Fnfbnet.org_steve.noble-
>> 2540louisville.edu&d=DwIGaQ&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTj
>> S-x4O_KuapPgY&r=67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T8
>> 1UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=
>> o2wto1Fz9ZJgPzDQ2rLCqn2HNgqUUUN6bdGEt5sNIkc&e=
>> > BlindMath Gems can be found at <
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.
>> blindscience.org_blindmath-2Dgems-2Dhome&d=DwIGaQ&c=
>> OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>> 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>> eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=QVQehq6SNQtdjPhF9VmKJn2E9jKlPm
>> xjMYds0SWpPoQ&e=
>> > >
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>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Joseph Polizzotto*
>>
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>> University of California, Berkeley
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>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:23:46 -0500
> From: Bob Mathews <bobm at dessci.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Help with NVDA and MathML
> Message-ID:
> <CAHzAo44g76T+zeNxRW24g7hzgeoAzMRDC-smD5S3aeVuKU=kKg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Alberto, MathPlayer is our product. You may write me privately about it,
> but not at the address I'm using for this email. Since our companies
> merged, I have not updated my subscriptions to the new email address, so
> I'm still subscribed to blindmath with this address. Please email me at
> bob at wiris.com.
>
> Most of the information you could ever need about MathPlayer is on our
> [old] website: http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/manual.htm.
> That site doesn't have information about adding a language though. I can
> help with that.
>
> Cheers,
> Bob Mathews
> WIRIS America
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Alberto Ortiz via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks again Steve!!! Thanks Joseph!!!
>>
>> I tried to read MathJax using Chrome Vox, but i did not succeed.
>>
>> I will try with MathJax A11y extension in Chrome that Joseph
>> recommended.
>>
>>
>> One more thing,
>>
>> I know that the Mathplayer is for free. it will be hard to add a new
>> language to MathPlayer?
>> Anybody know the team that are responsbile for the MathPlayer, that i can
>> enter in conctact with them?
>>
>>
>> Thanks again!!
>>
>>
>> Alberto Ortiz
>>
>>
>> 2018-07-16 19:00 GMT-03:00 Joseph Polizzotto via BlindMath <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org>:
>>
>> > Hi Everyone:
>> >
>> > Last I had tried navigating MathJax rendered equations, I used Shift +
>> > SpaceBar to open the MathJax menu. From there, I used the arrow keys to
>> > navigate to the extension menu item and activate it. I had more success
>> > using the MathJax A11y extension in Chrome.
>> >
>> > HTH,
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:15 AM Noble,Stephen L. via BlindMath <
>> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Sorry that Portuguese did not find its way into MathPlayer. I do see
>> that
>> > > the MathJax localization does include Portuguese, so if the page in
>> > > question uses MathJax to serve the math, then you might be able to
>> > > get
>> it
>> > > to work. There's a way to turn on the accessibility extension in
>> MathJax,
>> > > but you may need to check the documentation to figure ouit how to do
>> > that.
>> > > Perhaps here:
>> > > http://docs.mathjax.org/en/latest/misc/accessibility-features.html
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --Steve Noble
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: Alberto Ortiz <alberto.ortiz.mendes at gmail.com>
>> > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:00 PM
>> > > To: Noble,Stephen L.
>> > > Cc: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Help with NVDA and MathML
>> > >
>> > > Thanks Steve
>> > >
>> > > I installed Mathplayer, now i can read some formulas on Internet
>> > Explorer,
>> > > but for some reason i still cant read on Mozzila.
>> > >
>> > > But now i realize that MathPlayer dont have Portuguese on his
>> languages,
>> > > is there anyway of reading formulas with NVDA without using
>> > > MathPlayer.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > - --Alberto Ortiz
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Em Seg, 16 de jul de 2018 14:56, Noble,Stephen L. <
>> > > steve.noble at louisville.edu<mailto:steve.noble at louisville.edu>>
>> escreveu:
>> > >
>> > > If you are finding that NVDA is not reading the math expressions, be
>> sure
>> > > that you have MathPlayer installed on your PC. Here's the direct
>> download
>> > > link: https://www.dessci.com/en/dl/MathPlayerSetup.exe<
>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>> > dessci.com_en_dl_MathPlayerSetup.exe&d=DwMFaQ&c=
>> > OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=
>> > csOtbkkIRpVXtwudVasf6FC5jGDPy0Aw95kmDwLt-9Q&s=
>> > BJzi4fGs8TS1mMvwQtBBJSpIfwyZp1xo7uUYqi2NgWA&e=
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > You can read more about MathPlayer on this page:
>> > > https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/download.htm<
>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>> > dessci.com_en_products_mathplayer_download.htm&d=DwMFaQ&c=
>> > OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=
>> > csOtbkkIRpVXtwudVasf6FC5jGDPy0Aw95kmDwLt-9Q&s=OE-
>> > YPvhxRf50qOQJMR7D4ECcl4J9utQz0vqUd6e7g7k&e=
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hope that helps,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --Steve Noble
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> > > blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>> on behalf of Alberto Ortiz via
>> BlindMath
>> > <
>> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
>> > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 8:32 AM
>> > > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Cc: Alberto Ortiz
>> > > Subject: [BlindMath] Help with NVDA and MathML
>> > >
>> > > Hi everyone!
>> > >
>> > > I?m Alberto, and I work with Math texts in a VEL (Virtual Environment
>> > > Learning) called
>> > > Canvas and need NVDA to read formulas in this platform. However,
>> > > Canvas
>> > > sees LaTex as
>> > > an image which NVDA cannot read. So far I?ve described all formulas
>> like
>> > > text from image
>> > > attributes, so NVDA can read it. However, I need to find another way
>> > > of
>> > > doing this reading
>> > > but run into the issues as follows.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 1) Using of MathML
>> > > I?ve looked in the old threads and, as far as I know, NVDA can read
>> pages
>> > > that use
>> > > MathML. In YouTube, I?ve found a video that shows the reading being
>> made:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>> > youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dckx-2Djl99Iic&d=DwIGaQ&c=
>> > OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>> > eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=bn6ozpu7vH2X5PjrOhSY_
>> > QzlzgaBGdR0Q4JVM1NtPr4&e=
>> > >
>> > > I?ve installed NVDA to test this reading, but I couldn?t read it
>> > properly.
>> > > Therefore, I
>> > > tried to read this page that is using MathML and I also failed:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>> > freedomscientific.com_content_html_jawshq_MathML-2DSamples.
>> > html&d=DwIGaQ&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>> > eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=3ruHgaNQTW6aZALzqbbCNXqKnwk-
>> > rldmu2dg_CWni7I&e=
>> > >
>> > > I use Firefox and the page loads correctly but NVDA doesn?t recognize
>> the
>> > > formulas
>> > > and reads them as a normal text. In the third topic, for example, it
>> > can?t
>> > > recognize
>> > > fractions. It reads them, again, as a text.
>> > > Maybe I need some sort of NVDA?s plugin to do this reading?
>> > >
>> > > 2) Describing formulas
>> > > Does any standard exist to describe formulas? I have difficulties to
>> > > describe limits,
>> > > matrixes and equations. Now, we?re describing formulas and making
>> > > tests
>> > > with a
>> > > blind person to check if he can read, but we really need a describing
>> > > template.
>> > >
>> > > Does
>> > > anyone know if any type of template exists for it?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Another and last thing: is there any page with examples of accessible
>> > math
>> > > texts? If
>> > > they exist, do you know where I can consult them?
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BlindMath mailing list
>> > > BlindMath at nfbnet.org<mailto:BlindMath at nfbnet.org>
>> > >
>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.
>> > org_mailman_listinfo_blindmath-5Fnfbnet.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=
>> > OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>> > eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=PuLT9LcN_ZdrAKdBbOFGQQA9xftIHHIxnSul_
>> > 3odqxU&e=
>> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > > BlindMath:
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>> > org_mailman_options_blindmath-5Fnfbnet.org_steve.noble-
>> > 2540louisville.edu&d=DwIGaQ&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTj
>> > S-x4O_KuapPgY&r=67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T8
>> > 1UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=
>> > o2wto1Fz9ZJgPzDQ2rLCqn2HNgqUUUN6bdGEt5sNIkc&e=
>> > > BlindMath Gems can be found at <
>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.
>> > blindscience.org_blindmath-2Dgems-2Dhome&d=DwIGaQ&c=
>> > OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>> > eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=QVQehq6SNQtdjPhF9VmKJn2E9jKlPm
>> > xjMYds0SWpPoQ&e=
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> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 14:29:23 -0300
> From: Alberto Ortiz <alberto.ortiz.mendes at gmail.com>
> To: Bob Mathews <bobm at dessci.com>
> Cc: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Help with NVDA and MathML
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> Thanks again Steve!
>
> Bob, i will send you a email about the language adding.
>
> I will still try to use Chrome Vox with Mathjax too.
>
> thanks a lot, you all.
>
>
> Alberto Ortiz
>
> 2018-07-18 11:23 GMT-03:00 Bob Mathews <bobm at dessci.com>:
>
>> Alberto, MathPlayer is our product. You may write me privately about it,
>> but not at the address I'm using for this email. Since our companies
>> merged, I have not updated my subscriptions to the new email address, so
>> I'm still subscribed to blindmath with this address. Please email me at
>> bob at wiris.com.
>>
>> Most of the information you could ever need about MathPlayer is on our
>> [old] website: http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/manual.htm.
>> That site doesn't have information about adding a language though. I can
>> help with that.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bob Mathews
>> WIRIS America
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Alberto Ortiz via BlindMath <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks again Steve!!! Thanks Joseph!!!
>>>
>>> I tried to read MathJax using Chrome Vox, but i did not succeed.
>>>
>>> I will try with MathJax A11y extension in Chrome that Joseph
>>> recommended.
>>>
>>>
>>> One more thing,
>>>
>>> I know that the Mathplayer is for free. it will be hard to add a new
>>> language to MathPlayer?
>>> Anybody know the team that are responsbile for the MathPlayer, that i
>>> can
>>> enter in conctact with them?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Alberto Ortiz
>>>
>>>
>>> 2018-07-16 19:00 GMT-03:00 Joseph Polizzotto via BlindMath <
>>> blindmath at nfbnet.org>:
>>>
>>> > Hi Everyone:
>>> >
>>> > Last I had tried navigating MathJax rendered equations, I used Shift +
>>> > SpaceBar to open the MathJax menu. From there, I used the arrow keys
>>> > to
>>> > navigate to the extension menu item and activate it. I had more
>>> > success
>>> > using the MathJax A11y extension in Chrome.
>>> >
>>> > HTH,
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:15 AM Noble,Stephen L. via BlindMath <
>>> > blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Sorry that Portuguese did not find its way into MathPlayer. I do see
>>> that
>>> > > the MathJax localization does include Portuguese, so if the page in
>>> > > question uses MathJax to serve the math, then you might be able to
>>> get it
>>> > > to work. There's a way to turn on the accessibility extension in
>>> MathJax,
>>> > > but you may need to check the documentation to figure ouit how to do
>>> > that.
>>> > > Perhaps here:
>>> > > http://docs.mathjax.org/en/latest/misc/accessibility-features.html
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --Steve Noble
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ________________________________
>>> > > From: Alberto Ortiz <alberto.ortiz.mendes at gmail.com>
>>> > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:00 PM
>>> > > To: Noble,Stephen L.
>>> > > Cc: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>> > > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Help with NVDA and MathML
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks Steve
>>> > >
>>> > > I installed Mathplayer, now i can read some formulas on Internet
>>> > Explorer,
>>> > > but for some reason i still cant read on Mozzila.
>>> > >
>>> > > But now i realize that MathPlayer dont have Portuguese on his
>>> languages,
>>> > > is there anyway of reading formulas with NVDA without using
>>> MathPlayer.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > - --Alberto Ortiz
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Em Seg, 16 de jul de 2018 14:56, Noble,Stephen L. <
>>> > > steve.noble at louisville.edu<mailto:steve.noble at louisville.edu>>
>>> escreveu:
>>> > >
>>> > > If you are finding that NVDA is not reading the math expressions, be
>>> sure
>>> > > that you have MathPlayer installed on your PC. Here's the direct
>>> download
>>> > > link: https://www.dessci.com/en/dl/MathPlayerSetup.exe<
>>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>>> > dessci.com_en_dl_MathPlayerSetup.exe&d=DwMFaQ&c=
>>> > OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=
>>> > csOtbkkIRpVXtwudVasf6FC5jGDPy0Aw95kmDwLt-9Q&s=
>>> > BJzi4fGs8TS1mMvwQtBBJSpIfwyZp1xo7uUYqi2NgWA&e=
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > > You can read more about MathPlayer on this page:
>>> > > https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/download.htm<
>>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>>> > dessci.com_en_products_mathplayer_download.htm&d=DwMFaQ&c=
>>> > OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=
>>> > csOtbkkIRpVXtwudVasf6FC5jGDPy0Aw95kmDwLt-9Q&s=OE-
>>> > YPvhxRf50qOQJMR7D4ECcl4J9utQz0vqUd6e7g7k&e=
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Hope that helps,
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --Steve Noble
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ________________________________
>>> > > From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>> > > blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>> on behalf of Alberto Ortiz via
>>> BlindMath
>>> > <
>>> > > blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
>>> > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 8:32 AM
>>> > > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>> > > Cc: Alberto Ortiz
>>> > > Subject: [BlindMath] Help with NVDA and MathML
>>> > >
>>> > > Hi everyone!
>>> > >
>>> > > I?m Alberto, and I work with Math texts in a VEL (Virtual
>>> > > Environment
>>> > > Learning) called
>>> > > Canvas and need NVDA to read formulas in this platform. However,
>>> Canvas
>>> > > sees LaTex as
>>> > > an image which NVDA cannot read. So far I?ve described all formulas
>>> like
>>> > > text from image
>>> > > attributes, so NVDA can read it. However, I need to find another way
>>> of
>>> > > doing this reading
>>> > > but run into the issues as follows.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 1) Using of MathML
>>> > > I?ve looked in the old threads and, as far as I know, NVDA can read
>>> pages
>>> > > that use
>>> > > MathML. In YouTube, I?ve found a video that shows the reading being
>>> made:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>>> > youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dckx-2Djl99Iic&d=DwIGaQ&c=
>>> > OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>>> > eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=bn6ozpu7vH2X5PjrOhSY_
>>> > QzlzgaBGdR0Q4JVM1NtPr4&e=
>>> > >
>>> > > I?ve installed NVDA to test this reading, but I couldn?t read it
>>> > properly.
>>> > > Therefore, I
>>> > > tried to read this page that is using MathML and I also failed:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
>>> > freedomscientific.com_content_html_jawshq_MathML-2DSamples.
>>> > html&d=DwIGaQ&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>>> > eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=3ruHgaNQTW6aZALzqbbCNXqKnwk-
>>> > rldmu2dg_CWni7I&e=
>>> > >
>>> > > I use Firefox and the page loads correctly but NVDA doesn?t
>>> > > recognize
>>> the
>>> > > formulas
>>> > > and reads them as a normal text. In the third topic, for example, it
>>> > can?t
>>> > > recognize
>>> > > fractions. It reads them, again, as a text.
>>> > > Maybe I need some sort of NVDA?s plugin to do this reading?
>>> > >
>>> > > 2) Describing formulas
>>> > > Does any standard exist to describe formulas? I have difficulties to
>>> > > describe limits,
>>> > > matrixes and equations. Now, we?re describing formulas and making
>>> tests
>>> > > with a
>>> > > blind person to check if he can read, but we really need a
>>> > > describing
>>> > > template.
>>> > >
>>> > > Does
>>> > > anyone know if any type of template exists for it?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Another and last thing: is there any page with examples of
>>> > > accessible
>>> > math
>>> > > texts? If
>>> > > they exist, do you know where I can consult them?
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>>> > org_mailman_listinfo_blindmath-5Fnfbnet.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=
>>> > OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=
>>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
>>> > eRSjBibl3VTs1ouk-pGYq9rvSjUME&s=PuLT9LcN_ZdrAKdBbOFGQQA9xftIHHIxnSul_
>>> > 3odqxU&e=
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>>> > o2wto1Fz9ZJgPzDQ2rLCqn2HNgqUUUN6bdGEt5sNIkc&e=
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>>> > 67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=IiJF--XJbPEma-
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> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 03:19:42 -0700
> From: Elise Berkley <bravaegf711 at gmail.com>
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] BlindMath Digest, Vol 144, Issue 14
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> Hello, Alice.
> I will check it out and definitely post my findings. Thank you for the
> info.
> Elise
>
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>> 1. Re: Drawing trigonometric Functions and their Graphs
>> (Wershing, Alice D.)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 13:48:24 +0000
>> From: "Wershing, Alice D." <adwershing at pstcc.edu>
>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: 'Elise Berkley' <bravaegf711 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Drawing trigonometric Functions and their
>> Graphs
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>> Desmos is an open source graphing online program, that has built in
>> accessibility for graphing. I have not used it with any students, so I
>> will
>> be interested in learning how it actually works. When I searched about
>> printing, it seems that printing is best in chrome. There is
>> information
>> on using braille input devices and screen reading software, but I don't
>> know
>> if printing will produce anything tactile. I can't seem to embed a link
>> right now in my email, here is the printed link to their accessibility
>> page-
>> https://www.desmos.com/accessibility
>>
>> Looking forward to learning more about how this may work. I don't have
>> any
>> students who are blind, and have been researching math accessibility for
>> several years, so please post your findings!
>>
>> Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.A.C.
>> Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community
>> College
>> 865-694-6751
>> 865-539-7699 (fax)
>>
>> East TN Region Accessibility Specialist
>> Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus
>>
>> PSCC Access for All Blog
>> PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services)
>> PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise
>> Berkley via BlindMath
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 7:59 PM
>> To: blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Elise Berkley <bravaegf711 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [BlindMath] Drawing trigonometric Functions and their Graphs
>>
>> I do have braille graph paper, but is there a better way? Is there a
>> program
>> to input data and print a graph? Thanks for being my lifesavers!
>> Elise--
>> Elise Berkley and Becky Berkley
>> Okay, everyone. Elise again!
>> Another question: What is the simplest way for us to draw graphs of
>> trigonometric functions?
>>
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