[BlindMath] [Blind Math] Accessible Calculators:

Thu Nov 29 02:20:00 UTC 2018

I didn't say they are not allowed in schools.  They are not allowed on standardized tests.  In fact no calculator with a  real keyboard (qwerty), no calculator with a speaker, no calculator with wireless, and no calculator that can not have its memory wiped before the test  can be used in high stakes testing.  There are other weird things but those are some of the big ones.  You can get wavers if for example you have to use a laptop but then the test proctors might sit behind you and make sure your not pulling up the text book as you take your test.  Just search for what is allowed on standard math tests in the uSA and you will find it online.  I think your country also has similar standards.

ken

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From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Santiago Velasquez via BlindMath
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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessible Calculators:

HI Ken, thanks for your response.

I was not aware that software calculators were not allowed in schools in the USA. I am based in Australia.

I do have to agree with you regarding one thing. If you only need to pass your degree, software calculators are a little bit harder to learn at the beginning. However, if you do plan to continue with Maths after your degree, a software calculator is much better in the long term.

Regards
Santi

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 9:42 pm, Ken Perry via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> The major problem with the software calculators is they are not allowed on standardized tests in schools.   The second problem is you spend a lot of time learning the tool such as matlab etc and not doing your course work.  You probably should learn more powerful tools if you're going to continue on with math but if your just doing math as a means to get a degree and you're not interested in sticking with math learning something like matlab is overkill. The Orion TI-84 is designed using the TI-84 because still to this day most math books are using it as the examples.  Most math classes across the USA are using it as the base tool.  This means a blind student doesn't need to do anything different.  As Bill said the only difference is the MathPrint mode is not yet supported on the Orion TI-84.  That is just a graphical system to do problems as they are printed on paper.  The calculator loses no functionality with out that mode so you can do everything your counter parts in class are doing and the instructor in most cases does not have to even change the way instruction is done.     You can get up and running with the Orion TI-84 in no time.  I would say the only weird thing about the Orion TI-84 is you have to charge the top part and put batteries in the bottom part.  That confuses some people because if the calculator stops talking they sometimes don't understand they have to keep the top part charge to keep it talking while the batteries in the bottom part keep the TI-84 going.   With that said the Orion TI-84 is not hard to learn when you are in a class that is using it.    It is not hard to learn if you are using it on your own for that matter.  It is just easier to learn when your in a class where everyone else is using the same tools.
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> Ken
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> Velasquez via BlindMath
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> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Accessible Calculators:
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> Hi Kendra,
> 
> Have you considered looking at software calculators instead. Something like MatLab.
> 
> In the long term they will provide more flexibility, and from experience they are more accessible. I personally use MatLab for my engineering degree, and I just cannot justify the handheld calculators.
> 
> regards
> Santi
> 
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 6:59 am, Kendra Schaber via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hi all! I’m required to use an IT83 in my math class in January. I was also recamended to work with the APH TI84 because it has the added talking peace added onto it. Unfortunently, when I talked with my education team just before lunch, the APH Ti84 got some sceptisism and my technology teacher also didn’t get enough good reviews regarding this calculator. Has anyone used it in math class? If so, what are your experiences with the APH TI84 graphic calculator with the talking peace added to it? How did it work for you? Were you able to use it independently and without problems? If not, what are the problems? How did you get around those problems? Are there areas where you have to have sited help with this calculator? Can you use it out of the box? Did a sited person have to set it up for you? Even more importantly, are you able to use the whole calculator without sited help? The more I know about this calculator, the marrier!!! I need to educate my education team myself on this matter.
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