[BlindMath] I need some ideas and encouragement for doing braillecalculus

Sun Sep 22 07:41:05 UTC 2019

There is a thing called latex-access that installs in most windows screen 
reader and it reads latex expresions.

It work great with nvda.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Derek Scott Riemer via BlindMath
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 9:33 AM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Cc: Derek Scott Riemer
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] I need some ideas and encouragement for doing 
braillecalculus

I highly recommend getting a tutor, it's worth it.
Also, I spent most of my time in calc copying the previous line. I worked
on a laptop rather than just a notetaker. With unicode braille on the scene
now, copying the previous line to the current place, making edits, then
converting that to la-tex seems to be the best bet. Now that nemetex is
gone, I don't know how the best way to do this would be. I had NVDA reading
most of the nemeth braille with some speech dictionaries I designed, and
with unicode braille, I could set it up so that it would only read nemeth
if it saw unicode braille. Unfortunately, I lost most of the dictionaries,
but I'd be willing to redesign them, and make it work as an addon with
unicode braille.

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM Emily Schlenker via BlindMath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi. You have really inspired me, and now that you mention it, I am much
> calmer when I’m doing math mentally. The problem is, it is hard for me to
> keep track of problems where I do three or 4 chain  rules and one or two
> product rules, and then I have to put it all together. I also get very 
> lost
> with implicit   differentiation. These often have fractions with different
> denominators and ugly numerators. I would love to have a little bit of
> tutoring on the weekends. I really think this will make my brain better
> overall if I can do more and more in my head.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 19, 2019, at 7:25 PM, David Moore via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys!
> > I majored in mathematics at the Ohio State University!
> > I loved calculus, because the disability office did such a great job a
> converting all graphs into tactile form.
> > Also, I had an Optacon.
> > The Optacon allowed one to run a small camera over the page, and I could
> feel exactly what a sighted person could see as a vibration on my finger
> tip of my left hand.
> > I traced graphs, and learned what all of the symbols look like in print!
> > I used tapes from the Recording for the Blind, which is now Learning
> Ally!
> > I would hear the function on tape, and I would take the derivative or
> the Integral in my head, and I would check the answer that was read to me
> on the tapes from the back of the book!
> > Also, I spent time with many sighted engineering majors, and they took
> my hand and traced all kinds of graphs with my hand.
> > They explained how a simple graph can be moved around, stretched, and
> made fat or skinny to make the graphs of much more complicated functions!
> > The derivative
> > Is slope, and the second derivative tells you where the graph changes
> from curving upward, to downward, the inflection points on the graph!
> > I did so many of my calculations in my head, and never in Braille!
> > Braille just slowed me down.
> > I wrote my math for my professors by writing a symbol in words!
> > For example,
> > The derivative of (X^2 + 1)^2
> > Requires the chain rule giving!
> > And then I just kept writing each step out like that!
> > They understood what I was writing.
> > For example,
> > Integral of E^(x^2) does not have an anti-derivative!
> > Take care, guys, and I will help you and tutor you for free over
> concepts that are giving you problems!
> > Have a great day!
> > David Moore
> >                                                                 Sent
> from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > From: Nicolas Spohn via BlindMath
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:01 PM
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > Cc: Nicolas Spohn
> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] I need some ideas and encouragement for doing
> braillecalculus
> >
> > Hi Emily,
> > I think it is interesting that I got your message today because today I
> have been thinking a lot about how frustrating calculus is. I am a high
> school senior taking advanced placement calculus. My blindness occurred a
> few years ago so I am not up to par with braille. I have been using math
> player to read my equations. One of my biggest struggles is interpreting
> tactile graphs. Another one of my struggles is making sure I am typing my
> work on Microsoft word in a way that my teacher understands it. Keep
> putting forth the effort with calculus! I always say to give something a
> try and figure out whether or not it’s possible or whether or not it’s
> something worth trying. Keep at it! I’ll try to keep at it too!
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 19, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Emily Schlenker via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you so much. I am very lucky in that we have an office at my
> university where I get all of my tactile diagrams done for all of my
> classes. They also do my braille, and if I need a graph at the last 
> minute,
> they will make it. Awesome idea about the calculator.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 19, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Doug and Molly Miron via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Emily,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> When I learned calculus I was a low vision person, not totally blind.
> I did not use braille.  Now that I am totally blind I can understand the
> desire to work in braille, but there is a problem in that so much of
> calculus instruction is based on graphs, which are poorly supported in the
> tactile display world.  One thing you have described is a shortage of
> braille display space for your equations.  There are several braille
> displays available that will handle many lines of braille that might ease
> your problem.  The TI84 graphical calculator abailble from APHB might help
> also. Good luck.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Doug Miron
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/19/2019 2:52 PM, Emily Schlenker via BlindMath wrote:
> >>>> Hi, everyone. I am in first semester calculus, and I am really
> struggling. I
> >>>> understand the processes,  but I am having trouble staying organized
> while
> >>>> working problems in braille. I use a braille notetaker with 32 cells,
> and I
> >>>> am having trouble with things like the chain rule that require lines
> and
> >>>> lines of equations. The actual line on my braille sense is not long
> enough
> >>>> to accommodate some of my equations, and I get flustered and lost
> scrolling
> >>>> between so many lines. Ho do those of you who are braille users stay
> >>>> organized? Do you have any strategies for keeping parts of the same
> problem
> >>>> organized? I am not opposed to breaking out the Perkins Brailler with
> wide
> >>>> paper, but I am also wondering if there is anything else I can do to
> be
> >>>> successful. I have a great instructor who always goes step by step 
> >>>> and
> >>>> doesn't mind repeating things, but I always get lost about half way
> through
> >>>> big problems.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for any help you can give me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Emily
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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   - University of Colorado Boulder Department of computer science, 4th
   year undergraduate student.
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   - Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
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