[BlindMath] Trouble With UEB

Wed Aug 9 00:10:18 UTC 2023

Hello,
I'm not necessarily going to use the spatial arrangement for learning math, but I'm trying to prepare myself just in case I have to deal with that kind of transcription in any situation.
That arrangement might not work with me either.
Best,
Dana
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As someone else who has always been blind, I have essentially forgotten every single spatial math algorithm I was ever taught, including long division. Since I was never inclined to carry my Perkins brailler into a grocery store, I never got to use any of that stuff in the real world. When I imagine braille numbers in my head, they usually appear on my left fingers, though I can make them appear on my right hand as well. Since I have a left hand and a right hand, but not an up hand or a down hand, I was never able to make any of these weird spatial things stick in long-term memory. I guess maybe I would have had to remember the movements that my hands made? What I ultimately did instead was learn other ways of doing math in my head that utilized the cognitive and computing resources I had available to me. Not all strategies work equally well for all people. I would have been better off skipping silly things like long division and learning better strategies early on.

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:48 PM, Daniel Gillen via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> As someone who grew up studying the Nemeth code for all of my math classes and went on to study physics in college, I might also ask the same question about spatial  arrangements for basic arithmetic. Since I was born blind and have always read braille, I haven’t personally seen spatial math to be useful to me as a student. However, spatial math is taught to sighted students true elementary school years, and it is valuable that braille is transcribed to follow print as closely as possible for the given applications of the material. That said, I and other primary braille users have basically forgotten about spatial in favor of linear when we arrived at algebra, which made it far more feasible to do math work on a Braille notetaker as opposed to a Perkins Brailler. I guess my point is that in order to follow along with the normal method of teaching arithmetic operations in elementary school, it is better to show the operations in action using a spatial setup in braille. That is, one would actually be able to “carry over” in the different place values to keep track of the operation in progress. In addition, doing long division problems  can be explained more easily to a blind student if they are provided with the spatial layout in braille. Thus, regardless of whether you are using Nemeth or UEB math, having some understanding of spatial arrangements is helpful, especially if you are planning on teaching a blind student of elementary school age doing arithmetic with their sighted peers. If anyone else can provide some insights on this topic, that would be great.
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> Best,
> Daniel
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> > On Aug 8, 2023, at 4:56 PM, dana mohsen via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
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> > Hello Blind Mathers,
> > Quick question: I'm currently learning math UEB and am using the APH
> > tutorial:
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://uebmath.aphtech.org/__;!!KwNVnqR
> > v!F1S-8PRQr4nWRxTbZn6_oNkWhYbaoLQ5q4YjNPw6U1DWYHDEKk-GQSOTPTeud3ibIC
> > GXVedrOUaJ7fGgJfc$ However, I got stuck on the lesson discussing 
> > spatial arrangements (lesson 3.2). I'm confused by the use of the 
> > double-numerics, and, most of all, the vertical and horizontal line 
> > indicators (dots5+dots 2 5 and dots 4 5 6,
> > respectively.)
> > How is spatial arrangement even helpful?
> > I hope I'm making some sense. :)
> > Best,
> > Dana
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