[BlindMath] SPSS and Jaws

Mon Feb 27 14:30:24 UTC 2023

Hi Jonathan,

No, I was not being funny. It is the law in America, and ideally should
apply world-wide.

See below.
George

What is Section 508 and why was it created?

Section 508 was enacted to eliminate barriers in information technology, to
make available new opportunities for people with disabilities, and to
encourage development of technologies that will help achieve these goals.
The law applies to all Federal agencies when they develop, procure,
maintain, or use electronic and information technology.

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Hello George,

I'm really not sure if you were trying to be funny with this comment or
serious.

It would be nice for those of us living outside the US, if the powers that
be in the US would force these US companies to meet their obligations under
the ADA. 

With respect to SPSS, I reviewed their VPAT statement some years ago and
found it almost unbelievable. They quite clearly did not have evaluations of
their software made by screen reader users. <sigh> This was before I
discovered the V in VPAT was for voluntary.

I'd love to see some trigger-happy litigator file a class action against
software companies for breaches of the ADA. It won't solve Ashley's
situation though.

Meanwhile, the best solution for anyone in my position is to make work for
people who insist on using inaccessible software and/or systems. I decided
that I would no longer pay someone sighted to help me navigate such systems
with my own resources. I now put the work back onto the person wanting me to
use that inaccessible system It's been quite easy really, starting with my
supposed excessive annual leave problem. I was taking leave but unable to
use the HR system to have it recorded or approved. When my balance got to
three years' worth, I finally got a bit more attention from management and a
satisfactory work around.

When it comes to software, I have structured my life in such a way that
means I avoid the painful software and make use of friendly alternatives.
Thankfully, the alternatives are often free and open source.

All the best,
Jonathan

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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] SPSS and Jaws

Does "Section 508" not cover this in the USA?
George

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Subject: Re: [BlindMath] SPSS and Jaws

Hello Ashley,

I haven't checked v27 of SPSS, but many versions prior to this were less
than fully accessible to a screen reader user.

I doubt the course you are taking is going to make use of the underlying
SPSS code/command language, often referred to by SPSS users as the "syntax".

You have three options worthy of consideration, and the best option will
heavily depend on what support you will get from your university. Most
people know I favour R, while some others like to fight with SAS code, and a
relatively small number work with Stata.

All three require entry of commands entered as text in script files and all
can return readable output (text of HTML).

See https://r-resources.massey.ac.nz/statsoftware/ for a rough review. I
probably need to do some more updates to it on the software I haven't
checked for some time.
And then https://r-resources.massey.ac.nz/help/AccessibleSTEMSoftware.html
for a "go-to" list, which also includes some mathematics software options.

Of note is the fact that I set the bar on accessibility quite high. See
https://r-resources.massey.ac.nz/help/GoldStandard.html
for my definition. This was a conversation started on this list

If you decide to go down the R pathway, then there are plenty of resources
to help, written in screen reader friendly HTML. I recommend you use the
same workflow as many of these authors so that your work leads to an HTML
file that you can deal with using your existing skills.

HTH,
Jonathan

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Subject: [BlindMath] SPSS and Jaws

Hello,
I am a current PhD student in Education with a STEM Accessability focus at
Oregon State University. I will be taking a quantitative analysis course
next quarter and have been told by the instructor I will need to use SPSS 27
for my course. I am a JAWS user with the most current version of JAWS 2023.
What all do I need to know to accomplish this or if that is not accessible
what should I suggest for a work around?
Thank you all!
Ashley
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