[BlindMath] New to LaTeX

Mon Oct 9 10:45:09 UTC 2023

I am not sure if this nvda addon will suffice, but it uses pandoc to convert
between html and markdown with simple keystrokes. I can type in markdown,
highlight the text, press the conversion shortcut, and get the result in
html. I am not sure though what it will do with your math content, but it is
definitely worth a try.

https://github.com/aaclause/nvda-markdownForever

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Hello,
I am a bit unsure of how to use the command line. Is there any resource that
provides detailed instructions?
Thank you,
Dana
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Hi Dana,

Either can be done. When converting, I typically specify a --mathjax
argument when issuing the command, which ensures the page makes use of the
MathJax library and is therefore accessible.

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Hello again,
I have another question.
Would it be possible to convert a document in .tex format into HTML, or will
that make the equations unreadable? Would there be a difference if it was
converted from .md to HTML or from .tex to html?
Thank you,
Dana

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Hello Dana,

I'm assuming you are using Windows. If not, you need to tell us, so that
someone else can offer more OS-specific assistance.

LaTeX to Word is best avoided. There have been converters but there's just
no point in using this workflow.

MS Word is supposed to handle equations typed in LaTeX form. Someone else is
going to have to give you pointers on that because I haven't created an MS
Word document in over 8 years, and things have changed a lot over that time.
This may be all you need at this stage so do consider it.

I believe you will get the greatest benefit if you use a tool that provides
an accessible outcome. If you use markdown to HTML, the equations you create
(using LaTeX notation) will be interpreted by the screen reader.

To write a markdown document is simple. Open a text editor, even Notepad
will do. Now type anything you like; save this file using the extension md
(short for markdown).

Conversion is not so simple. You need to use pandoc and a command line to do
the conversion. On Windows, open a command prompt (Windows then type cmd and
hit <enter>) At this prompt, type winget install pandoc That installs
pandoc; look out for feedback which includes progress alerts. You should not
need to choose folders or settings, but you may need to give permission to
proceed

You will need a command prompt again to process the markdown files you
write. I suggest putting them in a specific folder for the moment. Open a
command prompt in that folder. There are a variety of ways to do this. Now
type the command
   Pandoc MyFile.md -o MyFile.html

Your new file is ready to open in your browser. Now make changes to the
starting file. You will need to process it over and over to see the impact
your working has.

Equations are written in LaTeX and a lot of basic formatting is easily
incorporated. I suggest using ChatGpt or your preferred AI tool to ask how
to represent something in markdown. E.g. How do I write the equation for a
straight line in LaTeX?

HTH,
Jonathan

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Hello all,
Thank you for the feedback.
Where can I learn these tools?
Also, can Latex be processed into word?
Should I start by learning LaTex or markdown?
Best,
Dana

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For what it's worth I work in LaTeX i.e that's my internal format. I develop
and notate my maths content in it, resorting to braille only when my memory
can't manipulate the equations. I process to pdf only to communicate
visually. markdown would probably do the same job. I've come to rely so much
on LaTeX features like the extraordinary diagram-drawing environment
tikz/pgf and haven't convinced myself equivalent functionality is available
elsewhere. pdf/LaTeX also allows me split screen presentations where I have
my notes on a braille display and the projector/conferencing application has
the presentation. I've not found another way to do this though it must be
possible in browser-based methods. My own summary is that markdown is an
easier tool to grasp, LaTeX probably a better toolkit and you won't go far
wrong learning either of these. Personally I'd start with markdown and, by
the time you've done that, you've learned most of the hard stuff from LaTeX
anyway.
cheers
Peter

Jonathan Godfrey via BlindMath writes:
>Hello,
>
>Yes, the most common end-product for LaTeX documents is the dreaded pdf.
>
>It doesn't have to be that way though, but the tools to create HTML are 
>not
well-known to authors.
>
>I recommend thinking about using markdown instead. You use the same
commands to generate equations and mathematical symbols, but you don't need
to learn all the stuff that LaTeX includes.
>
>You will need a program called pandoc to process the markdown file into
HTML. You edit the markdown file (just a plain text file with a different
extension) in your chosen text editor.
>The hardest part is the command to process the file into the HTML.
>
>I have not used any specific markdown editors, but I do understand some
have been reviewed by notable blind people.
>
>I hope others share their views.
>Jonathan
>
>
>
>
>
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>Hello all,
>
>I hope everyone is doing great.
>
>I recently heard about the concept of LaTex, but I want to learn more 
>about
it.
>From what I've heard, you can type math symbols using letters. For 
>example,
typing a fraction would mean that one would type "frac."
>
>I also heard that one can compile these LaTex files into a PDF file, 
>but I
also know that math PDFs are terrible with screen-readers.
>
>So, what are your experiences with LaTex? How do you read it? What are 
>the
most accessible applications one can use?
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>Sorry for the long email.
>
>Best,
>Dana
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