[BlindMath] I'm blind! I love math! I want to go higher than high school geometry.
Mosley, Leigh
lmosley1 at utk.edu
Mon Sep 18 13:42:12 UTC 2023
Ramana, can you describe your process for getting image descriptions from Claude 2? I see the file upload feature, but it doesn't seem to accept standard image formats like jpg or png (but of course I am using the free, public version of Claude 2). I'd like to experiment with this a bit if I can.
Thanks!
Leigh Mosley
Accessibility Coordinator
University of Tennessee Libraries
1015 Volunteer Boulevard
Knoxville, TN 37996-1000
865-974-0011
lmosley1 at utk.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ramana Polavarapu via BlindMath
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 12:18 AM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ramana Polavarapu <sriramana at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] I'm blind! I love math! I want to go higher than high school geometry.
Recently, I used large language models like ChatGPT to obtain description of pictures. I had a reasonable amount of success with Claude 2 from Anthropic.
On 9/15/23, Bert Van Landeghem via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Concerning text description of graphs, I recently used Be My AI for
> this purpose. The process still requires a few steps if you work from
> a Windows computer, as you will need to send the graph to your Android
> or Apple device, but the description of plots is quite insightful
> (including descriptions of line crossings and tangential points) and I
> was very happy with the result. I hope such features are soon
> available to use from a laptop computer and that automated graph descriptions are further refined.
>
> Kind regards,
> Bert
>
> On Fri, 15 Sept 2023 at 15:05, Lucas Radaelli via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Reading your message brings me the thought that I always have:
>> we should have more accessible materials so blind people could study
>> math on their own.
>>
>> A combination of html books + mathml + braille + described images
>> should be a good start.
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is a project to adapt many math books like this?
>> Bookshare and some other options that I have seen are not universal;
>> they only work for the US and other countries would be left out. I
>> think some sort of accessible open wiki could be the way.
>>
>>
>>
>> HEm sex., 15 de set. de 2023 às 05:08, Ray McAllister via BlindMath <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> escreveu:
>>
>> > I don't find your email address anyhwhre,, but I am very good with
>> Nemeth.
>> > I don't have an embosser of any type, so someone would have to
>> > emboss the things and Free-Matter-for-the-Blind them to me. My
>> > email address is raymcal at att.net for private emails.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Ray.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: BlindMath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> > David W.
>> > Farmer via BlindMath
>> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 7:28 AM
>> > To: Ray McAllister via BlindMath
>> > Cc: David W. Farmer
>> > Subject: Re: [BlindMath] I'm blind! I love math! I want to go
>> > higher than high school geometry.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Ray,
>> >
>> > The PreTeXt protect, specifically David Austin and Rob Beezer, is
>> > currently working on an accessible version of the book Active
>> > Prelude to Calculus. This includes Nemeth braille and accessible
>> > diagrams, with the diagrams having both a tactile representation
>> > and a description with words.
>> >
>> > The level of the mathematics seems appropriate for you, and I am
>> > sure they would be happy to have you as a proofreader. You did not
>> > mention whether you can read Nemeth. I am not sure what type of
>> > embosser these diagrams require.
>> >
>> > If you email me off-group, the four of us can talk about how to
>> > proceed.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, 15 Sep 2023, Ray McAllister via BlindMath wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi, I'm totally blind, and have loved math and been good at math
>> > > since
>> my
>> > > father started teaching me when I was 3 and 4 years old. I could
>> > > do long-hand division problems in my head at age 6. I won math
>> competitions
>> > in
>> > > high school. One day, bored, in church, in high school, I
>> > > figured out,
>> > in
>> > > my head, how to find the 5 5th roots of a number, using
>> > > intuition, completing the square, and the quadratic formula to
>> > > break x^5 = y^5
>> down.
>> > > Last year, when I had Covid, I wanted to make sure nothing was
>> happening
>> > to
>> > > my brain, so I started playing with magic square patterns, with
>> > > inner
>> > magic
>> > > squares, a border square, basically. I got up to 10x10 on my
>> > > own, and
>> > then
>> > > wrote a computer program to take it up to 1000x1000 which means
>> > > that I
>> > have
>> > > this Excel spread sheet here with a list of numbers from 1 to 1
>> > > million
>> > that
>> > > is a magic square, all rows, columns, and diagonals adding up to
>> > > the
>> same
>> > > number, with about 40,000 smaller magic squares inside it.
>> > > My path has been rather weird. While I'm as good at math as
>> > > many people are socially, soecially, I'm as dyslexic as most
>> > > people seem to
>> be
>> > > with math. Since higher math wasn't as accessible, as my small
>> > > high
>> > school
>> > > didn't offer trig and precalculus, and things weren't as
>> > > accessible, I
>> > ended
>> > > up following another passion, ministry, and ultimately got a
>> > > pH.D. in
>> Old
>> > > Testament, helping code advanced Hebrew symbols into Braille,
>> > > which I
>> was
>> > > part of the team that won the 2016 Bolotin award from the NFB.
>> > > Well,
>> my
>> > > Ph.D. is getting me nowhere now, and my mind, at 48, is beginning
>> > > to
>> turn
>> > > toward math again, if anything, for a hobby. I was able to go
>> > > onto
>> Khan
>> > > Academy and go through Trig, and while I can't see the diagrams,
>> > > I was
>> > able
>> > > to figure out a number of proofs in my head. I've had to get my
>> student
>> > > loans forgiven, so I'm not allowed to take out any more federal
>> > > loans,
>> > and
>> > I
>> > > wouldn't anyway for any more training. I'm still wondering what
>> > > kind
>> of
>> > > path there could be for me in math, for fun, career, whatever. I
>> > > can't afford any of those fancy graphical embossers. I'd love to
>> > > go at least through Calculus, somehow. I just work so naturally
>> > > with numbers. I
>> > feel
>> > > so held back by the world that just never seems to move fast
>> > > enough for
>> > me,
>> > > if anyone out there understands.
>> > >
>> > > I have, though, been thinking of a way higher math, at least, at
>> > > times, could be described in text for someone who is blind and
>> > > doesn't have
>> all
>> > the
>> > > fancy equipment. Sy lrsdy, for trig, has anyone played around
>> > > the
>> > Cartesian
>> > > coordinate plane? If you don't know how that works by the time
>> > > you
>> reach
>> > > trig, you're in a lot more trouble than missing triangle images.
>> > Basically,
>> > > you could say, We have a triangle, point A is on the origin.
>> > > Point B
>> is
>> > at
>> > > (4, 0) and point C is at (1, 7). Segment a is the line hooking
>> > > points
>> B
>> > and
>> > > C. Segment b hooks points A and C. Segment c hooks points A and B.
>> You
>> > > can do all kinds of things with this, including run a line
>> > > segment d
>> down
>> > > from point C, straight vertically to the X axis to split this
>> > > into 2
>> > right
>> > > triangles. You can, then, write out proofs for things, and the
>> > > blind
>> > reader
>> > > need only remember this diagram. I wrote out a proof for the Law
>> > > of
>> > Sines
>> > > using this system, and a couple more points and line segments I
>> > > had to
>> > come
>> > > u pwith on Line c. I haven't found any place with Braille books
>> > > on this stuff I can access. Of course, if someone's special ed
>> > > office hired a transcriber to transcribe a math book, has anyone
>> > > thought of finishing
>> > the
>> > > job and getting it in the National Library Service once the blind
>> student
>> > is
>> > > done with the material?
>> > >
>> > > I welcome discussion on this.
>> > >
>> > > Write soon,
>> > > Ray McAllister.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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