[BlindMath] scientific notebook or something better

Tue Feb 27 20:04:13 UTC 2024

MathKicker uses Mathpix for their math OCR, so I suspect one will not see any differences. All OCR applications will of course have issues. MathKicker has an upload file limit, and it balked when I tried to upload an entire chapter from a calculus textbook. Works fine with smaller files, though. I didn't look into it, but maybe you get to convert larger files when you get a paid subscription...that would make sense.

The output into Word saves all the math expressions as OMML islands (that is Word's native math expression format). Both NVDA with MathCAT and JAWS can read and navigate these expressions. For more about MathCAT's braille output, see MathCAT: Math Capable Assistive Technology | MathCAT (nsoiffer.github.io)<https://nsoiffer.github.io/MathCAT/>

--Steve Noble
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Dear all,

Thank you for this very interesting conversation.

How does Mathkicker compare to Mathpix when it comes to conversion quality?
On the blog post I read that the screenreader could read the
mathkicker conversions. Which screenreader was being used, in what type of
Braille were the math expressions displayed, and in which format was the
conversion saved? I think that JAWS for Windows could show Nemeth Braille
but only if you chose contracted US Braille. Is displaying braille math now
also possible in other (uncontracted) braille tables? Is there a good
overview somewhere of which braille math is supported by which screenreader?

Kind regards,
Bert

On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 at 16:15, Susan Osterhaus via BlindMath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Melissa,
>
> I totally understand. I started using Scientific Notebook with Duxbury
> years ago, and you may have learned about it from one of my workshops. I
> truly loved it. However, I agree with everything Steve said below.
>
> Plus, this MathKicker is a real game changer. I stumbled across it on
> Denise Robinson's facebook page where she had one of her latest video's on
> it. I told Diane Brauner, and she quickly wrote a nice blog about it at:
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> , which includes direct links to Denise's videos. Another
> colleague, Sara Larkin from Iowa, has also been awed by it. The AI doesn't
> describe the graphics yet, but it can handle a lot of mathematical
> expressions, even inside tables. Ashley Neybert said it couldn't handle
> some of her math expressions, but it's brand new, so I think we have to be
> patient and give the AI a chance to learn!! <grin>
>
> Best wishes,
> Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Stephen via BlindMath
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 9:35 AM
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> Cc: Noble, Stephen <steve.noble at louisville.edu>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] scientific notebook or something better
>
> Hi Melissa,
>
> It has been a while since I have looked into this, but it used to be the
> simplest to use MathType with DBT. That is still one of the methods DBT
> mentions on their website: DBT and Braille Math
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> I should also add that if you are starting from something like a PDF that
> was downloaded from a website, then you could save some time by using
> MathKicker<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmathkicker.ai%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csteve.noble%40louisville.edu%7C937fe00f039347f9799708dc37b0e5f5%7Cdd246e4a54344e158ae391ad9797b209%7C0%7C0%7C638446480116079442%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4eIg1ik9XQD9mBYcfEgKFZmZ3rFpnyYEjZn7fdVztOE%3D&reserved=0<https://mathkicker.ai/>> to do a conversion to Word, and then
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> --Steve Noble
> steve.noble at louisville.edu
> 502-969-3088
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> Melissa via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
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> Hi All
> I am looking to see if scientific notebook still seems to be best option
> to use with duxbury. I see the newest version is not compatible with with
> duxbury.
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> Thanks
>
>
> Your Partner in Education,
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