From poonam at xrcvc.org  Mon Mar  2 05:09:09 2026
From: poonam at xrcvc.org (Poonam Deokar)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2026 10:39:09 +0530
Subject: [BlindMath] Attachment Missing - SED-NABS STEM Seminar Minutes For
 February 22,
 2026 (Louis Maher)
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 <CAHn2qn3pcTyrdKFXc5AUsg8bFbgqU7g7dbqfyM8AZ8c38YnRzg@mail.gmail.com>

The attachment is missing.

Poonam Deokar
Lead Consultant Inclusive Education, Xavier's Resource Centre for the
Visually Challenged (XRCVC <http://xrcvc.org/>),
Co-ordinator for Students with Disabilities, St. Xavier's College
<https://xaviers.ac/> (Empowered Autonomous Institute),
5, Mahapalika Marg, Mumbai-400 001
# 022-35223298 (extension 107)
Socials: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/poonam-deokar> | Instagram
<https://www.instagram.com/poonam._.deokar/>


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From ljmaher03 at outlook.com  Mon Mar  2 11:12:29 2026
From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2026 11:12:29 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] Attachment Missing - SED-NABS STEM Seminar Minutes
 For February 22, 2026 (Louis Maher)
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 <CAHn2qn3pcTyrdKFXc5AUsg8bFbgqU7g7dbqfyM8AZ8c38YnRzg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Poonam,

I have re-attached the minutes.

In case the e-mail system clipped the attachment, I will paste the document below my signature.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
Email: ljmaher03 at outlook.com
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The Science and Engineering Division and National Association of Blind Students Joint STEM Zoom Conference Minutes for February 22, 2026

The National Federation of the Blind's Science and Engineering Division (SED) and the National Federation of the Blind's National Association of Blind Students (NABS) held a joint Zoom conference on Science Technology Engineering and Math (STEM) on Sunday, February 22, 2026, by Zoom.

A Recording of this meeting is available at
"2026-02-22 SED seminar_Recording.mp3". Once this link is accessed, once your virtual cursor is off, hitting enter on this file produces a "play" dialog, and tabbing around the "play" dialog will bring you to a download button.

To see past Science and Engineering documents, minutes, and recordings, go to
"https://tinyurl.com/NFB-Science-Engineering". Once you are in a directory with your virtual cursor off, once your focus is on a file, the applications key will give you the context menu with several options including download.

The meeting was called to order by Lauren Altman, president of NABS, at 7:30 PM Eastern Standard Time (EST).

Introduction

NABS President, Lauren Altman (nabs.president at gmail.com), welcomed the audience and speakers to the annual joint conference presented by NABS and SED.

She discussed the NFB STEM2U program: named the states where it will occur this year, and invited people interested in the program to go to
"https://nfb.org/programs-services/education/nfb-stem2u".

John Miller (johnmillerphd at hotmail.com), president of SED, who will be the moderator for the evening, briefly discussed the presenters, and invited the audience to follow their own passions in their lives.

The titles, speakers, abstracts, and speaker introductions, follow.

Title: Engineering the Future: Storing Clean Energy Deep Beneath Our Feet

Speaker: Matthew Ard (mattard at stanford.edu)

Abstract: The transition to clean energy is one of the greatest challenges of our time, but what opportunities actually exist to solve this crucial problem? In this talk, I will introduce the field of Energy Science and Engineering and discuss how I am working to tackle climate change through my research on large-scale energy storage. I will share my journey from undergraduate studies to a PhD program and discuss the methods and technologies I use to conduct high-level research as a student with a visual impairment. By sharing my research and personal experience, I hope to demystify the research process and show that a career in research is a tangible reality for students from all backgrounds.

Speaker Introduction: Matthew is a second-year PhD student at Stanford University in the Energy Science and Engineering program and a National Science Foundation Graduate Research Fellow. His research is focused on enabling a clean energy future through underground energy storage. He graduated from San Jose State University with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering. As an undergraduate, he conducted research at Stanford University and Columbia University, where he focused on solving problems related to climate change. Beyond the lab, Matthew is dedicated to improving accessibility and advocating for inclusion in his communities. He works with the Office of Access, Belonging, and Community and mentors undergraduate and graduate students to help them navigate their own paths in higher education.

Title: Birding by Ear and Beyond; Exploring, experiencing, and engaging in the wonder of the Natural world as a person who is blind

Speaker: Donna Posont (dposont at umich.edu)

Abstract: Wonder of the natural world is for everyone and that includes those who are blind or low vision. Sometimes we learn in various ways by engaging all our other senses to experience natural science. This program at the University of Michigan-Dearborn Environmental Interpretive Center meets at least monthly to learn about nature and is taught as though all participants are blind, but, friends and family are welcome.

Speaker Introduction:
Donna Posont
Coordinator: Birding by Ear and Beyond
Environmental Interpretive Center
University of Michigan-Dearborn
dposont at umich.edu

I have a bachelor's degree in social work from West Liberty University in West Virginia. I returned as a non-traditional student and received a degree in Environmental Studies with a naturalist focus and a minor in Biology graduating in 2015 from the University of Michigan-Dearborn. During my time as a student I started a monthly program for blind people to learn to identify birds by sound. Upon graduation I became a staff naturalist and the program grew to Birding by Ear and Beyond. The Beyond part provides for experiencing all aspects of the natural world such as frogs, tree, and plant identification, learning about the watershed, building, and maintaining a Butterfly Garden. I received training as a Certified Interpretive Guide from the National Association of Interpretation, and this is helpful in sharing about nature. The program has been featured in national magazines such as Audubon and Birds and Blooms as well as appearing on CBS and NBC nightly news and various podcasts such as Ray Brown’s Talkin Birds, Any Bird, Anybody, and Eyes Free Sports. In 2016 I receive the Outstanding Part time Interpreter the Year award from the National Association of Interpretation Region IV. In 2024 I was a Merit Award recipient from Michigan Association of Environmental Outdoor Educators. My proudest moment came when I received the Jacob Bolotin Award from the National Federation of the Blind in 2024 for an outstanding program which has enhanced the lives of people who happen to be blind.

Title: Audiom: Evaluating if digital interactive alternate text provides the same information as visual spatial maps and diagrams

Speaker: Brandon Biggs (brandon.biggs at xrnavigation.io)

Abstract: Sighted people view over 300 digital maps a year, in contrast to blind people, who view less than one map a year on average. Only around 17.5% of blind
people have ever viewed a map of any kind as a blind person. This talk will present Audiom, an interactive alternate text game-like digital interface that
can allow the non-visual viewing and creation of diverse types of spatial information, such as maps and diagrams. Over 13 academic studies and co-designs
have been performed on over 150 blind and 40 sighted participants to create and evaluate Audiom. The presentation will then discuss how Audiom is being
compared with visual digital maps and diagrams. The objective of this work is to clearly define what it means for a non-visual text map to serve the equivalent
purpose to a visual map to meet the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines. The results of this work should inform digital accessibility legislation to facilitate
equal educational and employment opportunities for professions require the use of spatial information.

Links to Audiom:
Personal use:
https://audiom.net/
Commercial use:
https://xrnavigation.io/

Speaker Introduction: Brandon Biggs is an entrepreneur, researcher, inclusive designer, developer, and life-long learner. He is the CEO of XR Navigation, an Engineer at the
Smith-Kettlewell Eye Research Institute, Co-Founder and board treasurer at Sonja Biggs Educational Services Inc., and a PhD student at the Georgia institute
of Technology. In 2016, he received his bachelor's in music from California State University East Bay, in 2019 he received his master's in Inclusive Design
from the Ontario College of Art and Design University, and in 2021, began his PhD in Human Centered Computing from the Georgia Institute of Technology.
He is almost completely blind from Leber's Congenital Amaurosis (LCA). His projects and ventures center around building tools to solve some of the most
difficult problems in the blindness field. He leverages his lived experience coupled with human centered inclusive design principles to create solutions
that create lasting and sustainable impact. To achieve this goal, Brandon is half entrepreneur and half academic.

Wrap Up

If you wish to learn more about NABS, including how to become a member, go to:
"https://www.nabslink.org/".

If you wish to join the SED, go to:
"Division Dues Form".

Dues for NABS and SED are $5 a year.

NFB divisions' fiscal years start on January 1 and end on December 31 of the same year.

Individuals may join the NABS and SED e-mail discussion groups at "Email lists".

Finally, we wish to acknowledge Nikhil Dadlani as our NABS Zoom Host.

Adjournment

The meeting ended at 9 PM EST.

About thirty-nine people attended the meeting.

Questions and Corrections

If there are any questions concerning the National Association of Blind Students, please contact Lauren Altman (nabs.president at gmail.com).

If there are any questions concerning the Science and Engineering Division, please contact John Miller (Phone: 858-774-9286, Johnmillerphd at hotmail.com).

If there are any corrections for the minutes, please contact Louis Maher (713-444-7838, ljmaher03 at outlook.com).

Minutes submitted by Louis Maher
-----Original Message-----
From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Poonam Deokar via BlindMath
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2026 11:09 PM
To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
Cc: Poonam Deokar <poonam at xrcvc.org>
Subject: [BlindMath] Attachment Missing - SED-NABS STEM Seminar Minutes For February 22, 2026 (Louis Maher)

The attachment is missing.

Poonam Deokar
Lead Consultant Inclusive Education, Xavier's Resource Centre for the
Visually Challenged (XRCVC <http://xrcvc.org/>),
Co-ordinator for Students with Disabilities, St. Xavier's College
<https://xaviers.ac/> (Empowered Autonomous Institute),
5, Mahapalika Marg, Mumbai-400 001
# 022-35223298 (extension 107)
Socials: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/poonam-deokar> | Instagram
<https://www.instagram.com/poonam._.deokar/>

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From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 01:24:16 2026
From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2026 17:24:16 -0800
Subject: [BlindMath] Looking for a Math and LaTeX Tutor for a Blind Student
Message-ID: 
 <CAKAWQkWANrfQjN5fJDK7H8JyQeEHnsq8SYtqxyQv9X7XH5vJKg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Sonja Biggs Educational Services, Inc. is currently seeking a qualified *Math
and LaTeX Tutor* to support a blind high school student who is developing
foundational math skills and progressing toward pre-calculus.
Position Overview

We are looking for a patient, detail-oriented educator to provide
structured, individualized instruction in remedial mathematics through
pre-calculus. Instruction must be delivered using accessible, nonvisual
teaching methods tailored to a blind learner.

The tutor will work closely with the *Teacher of the Blind and Visually
Impaired (TVI)* to ensure all instructional materials are provided in
appropriate accessible formats.
Collaboration & Accessibility Requirements

The tutor will coordinate with the TVI to obtain and/or develop accessible
instructional materials, including:

   -

   MathML
   -

   Nemeth Braille Code
   -

   Tactile graphics
   -

   Other screen reader–compatible documents

Location

   -

   *Preferred:* In-person instruction in the Sacramento, California area
   -

   *Alternative:* Remote instruction may be considered for highly qualified
   candidates

Responsibilities

   -

   Provide one-on-one instruction in arithmetic, algebra, geometry, and
   pre-calculus
   -

   Teach and reinforce proper mathematical structure using LaTeX
   -

   Deliver instruction using accessible methods suitable for a blind student
   -

   Collaborate regularly with the TVI regarding materials and instructional
   approach
   -

   Develop lesson plans, structured practice, and progress updates

Required Qualifications

   -

   Bachelor’s degree in Mathematics or a closely related field
   -

   Strong mastery of high school mathematics through pre-calculus
   -

   Proficiency in LaTeX
   -

   Clear verbal communication skills

Preferred Qualifications

   -

   Knowledge of *Nemeth Braille Code*
   -

   Experience teaching students who are blind or visually impaired
   -

   Familiarity with screen readers (e.g., JAWS, NVDA, VoiceOver)
   -

   Background in special education or accessible instructional design
   -

   Prior tutoring or classroom teaching experience

Compensation

Competitive and commensurate with experience.

Interested candidates should email their resume, relevant experience,
availability, and preferred rate to:

*sonja.biggs at sbesinc.com* <sonja.biggs at sbesinc.com>

Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

From jfine2358 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 13:52:15 2026
From: jfine2358 at gmail.com (Jonathan Fine)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2026 13:52:15 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] Where's BlindMath Gems? Site www.blindscience.org not
 working for me
Message-ID: 
 <CALD=Yf8OX3kKKtjbd91szd=f9kRWOWG2TKEnNHrCUviGwOGJ7w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Ken Perry recently posted a link to BlindMath Gems, but it didn't work for
me.

The link Ken posted is http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home. For
me it gives a 404 not found error.

The 'home page' http://www.blindscience.org gives a redirect to
https://nfb.org/programs-services/national-center-blind-youth-science.

with best wishes

Jonathan

From gmelconian619 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 00:00:47 2026
From: gmelconian619 at gmail.com (gmelconian619 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2026 16:00:47 -0800
Subject: [BlindMath] Where's BlindMath Gems? Site www.blindscience.org not
 working for me
In-Reply-To: 
 <CALD=Yf8OX3kKKtjbd91szd=f9kRWOWG2TKEnNHrCUviGwOGJ7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
 <CALD=Yf8OX3kKKtjbd91szd=f9kRWOWG2TKEnNHrCUviGwOGJ7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011201dcab69$f4e582f0$deb088d0$@gmail.com>

Got the same error when I tried that link as well. 

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jonathan Fine via BlindMath
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2026 5:52 AM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jonathan Fine <jfine2358 at gmail.com>
Subject: [BlindMath] Where's BlindMath Gems? Site www.blindscience.org not working for me

Hi

Ken Perry recently posted a link to BlindMath Gems, but it didn't work for me.

The link Ken posted is http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home. For me it gives a 404 not found error.

The 'home page' http://www.blindscience.org gives a redirect to https://nfb.org/programs-services/national-center-blind-youth-science.

with best wishes

Jonathan
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From michal.tkacik at skn.sk  Wed Mar  4 12:04:35 2026
From: michal.tkacik at skn.sk (=?utf-8?B?VGvDocSNaWsgTWljaGFs?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2026 12:04:35 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] seeking for advice
Message-ID: <84df91ef-dd11-4e36-8628-de3e593faa58@skn.sk>

Dear listers,


I hope my e-mail finds you well.

I work as a head coordinator of the Braille Authority of Slovakia. In our country, for years, we are facing a problem with math and STEM studying. We have no really working framework of simultaneous function of computer with screenreader, good math software and braille display.

For some years, we are using Lambda software for our students, but the braille was never correctly implemented and since there is a Lambda 2, we are somewhat not sure now, if the implementation of braille code is a journey worth to go. Mostly because of costs of the software students can not afford in Slovakia, when counting with screen reader and braille display.

In our small country the situation is qute difficult, as we have very few braillists, but we recognize the importance of correct STEM education. Therefore we are now trying to find a functioning set-up for our studens. We are willing to invest effot into the implementations, testing, training. We just are not sure which way to go.

I would like to kindly ask you for any advice you can give us for math and STEM from elementary to university studies. My questions are:

  1.  Are there some good software examples used in your countries? Where the linear code can be easyly followed - e.g. structured in a tree view?
  2.  would you recommend to build up our future efforts on the MathML code?
  3.  Is there some working pipeline for transfering standard math to a readable MathML both with speech of screen reader and braille display?
  4.  Is it possible to implement other than UEB or Nemeth codes in such environments?


Any advice from you will be very highly appreciated here.

We are trying to do the best work for students, to equip them with the best possible solutions.

Thank you very much in advance for your help.


--

S úctou / Best regards



Mgr. Michal Tkáčik ⠠⠍⠛⠗⠲⠀⠠⠍⠊⠉⠓⠁⠇⠀⠠⠞⠅⠡⠩⠊⠅
hlavný koordinátor Slovenskej autority pre Braillovo písmo / Head coordinator of the Braille Authority of Slovakia
podpredseda Únie nevidiacich a slabozrakých Slovenska / vice president of the Slovak Blind and Partially Sighted Union

Virtuálna vizitka/virtual busyness card<https://dot.cards/michaltkacik>


⠠⠎⠇⠕⠧⠑⠝⠎⠅⠡⠀⠁⠥⠞⠕⠗⠊⠞⠁⠀⠏⠗⠑⠀⠠⠃⠗⠁⠊⠇⠇⠕⠧⠕⠀⠏⠌⠎⠍⠕
Slovenská autorita pre Braillovo písmo / the Braille Authority of Slovakia

Slovenská knižnica pre nevidiacich Mateja Hrebendu v Levoči / Matej Hrebenda Slovak Library for the Blind in Levoca

From john.gardner at viewplus.com  Wed Mar  4 21:01:21 2026
From: john.gardner at viewplus.com (John Gardner)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2026 21:01:21 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] seeking for advice
In-Reply-To: <84df91ef-dd11-4e36-8628-de3e593faa58@skn.sk>
References: <84df91ef-dd11-4e36-8628-de3e593faa58@skn.sk>
Message-ID: 
 <SJ0PR03MB6874C83C74A60AD50EC8C287E67CA@SJ0PR03MB6874.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

My best advice is to make sure that the Slovak braille language is up to date in liblouis. Most braille software these days uses liblouis.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tkáčik Michal via BlindMath
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2026 4:05 AM
To: BlindMath at nfbnet.org
Cc: Tkáčik Michal <michal.tkacik at skn.sk>
Subject: [BlindMath] seeking for advice

Dear listers,


I hope my e-mail finds you well.

I work as a head coordinator of the Braille Authority of Slovakia. In our country, for years, we are facing a problem with math and STEM studying. We have no really working framework of simultaneous function of computer with screenreader, good math software and braille display.

For some years, we are using Lambda software for our students, but the braille was never correctly implemented and since there is a Lambda 2, we are somewhat not sure now, if the implementation of braille code is a journey worth to go. Mostly because of costs of the software students can not afford in Slovakia, when counting with screen reader and braille display.

In our small country the situation is qute difficult, as we have very few braillists, but we recognize the importance of correct STEM education. Therefore we are now trying to find a functioning set-up for our studens. We are willing to invest effot into the implementations, testing, training. We just are not sure which way to go.

I would like to kindly ask you for any advice you can give us for math and STEM from elementary to university studies. My questions are:

  1.  Are there some good software examples used in your countries? Where the linear code can be easyly followed - e.g. structured in a tree view?
  2.  would you recommend to build up our future efforts on the MathML code?
  3.  Is there some working pipeline for transfering standard math to a readable MathML both with speech of screen reader and braille display?
  4.  Is it possible to implement other than UEB or Nemeth codes in such environments?


Any advice from you will be very highly appreciated here.

We are trying to do the best work for students, to equip them with the best possible solutions.

Thank you very much in advance for your help.


--

S úctou / Best regards



Mgr. Michal Tkáčik ⠠⠍⠛⠗⠲⠀⠠⠍⠊⠉⠓⠁⠇⠀⠠⠞⠅⠡⠩⠊⠅ hlavný koordinátor Slovenskej autority pre Braillovo písmo / Head coordinator of the Braille Authority of Slovakia podpredseda Únie nevidiacich a slabozrakých Slovenska / vice president of the Slovak Blind and Partially Sighted Union

Virtuálna vizitka/virtual busyness card<https://dot.cards/michaltkacik>


⠠⠎⠇⠕⠧⠑⠝⠎⠅⠡⠀⠁⠥⠞⠕⠗⠊⠞⠁⠀⠏⠗⠑⠀⠠⠃⠗⠁⠊⠇⠇⠕⠧⠕⠀⠏⠌⠎⠍⠕
Slovenská autorita pre Braillovo písmo / the Braille Authority of Slovakia

Slovenská knižnica pre nevidiacich Mateja Hrebendu v Levoči / Matej Hrebenda Slovak Library for the Blind in Levoca _______________________________________________
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From b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk  Fri Mar  6 13:07:51 2026
From: b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk (Bert Van Landeghem)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2026 13:07:51 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] Mathpix
Message-ID: 
 <CABWkzg3nURyBnq-x3V7APYQiuzNdYtFX6iHjvWwpPLamLan=rw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

As are others on the list, I am a user of MathPix. It is very good in
converting PDF documents to Latex. However, as is the case with Latex, it
is sometimes a bit cumbersome to read with a Braille display especially if
there is a bit of formatting in the equations. Mathpix allows conversion to
latex, markdown, mathhpix markdown ... among other formats. Do people have
experience with these formats and which one is easiest to read with a
Braille display? Note that I am not a great 2-braille reader and so using
the (experimental) Braille output with JAWS for Windows is not an option.

Kind regards,
Bert

From A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz  Fri Mar  6 18:23:46 2026
From: A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz (Jonathan Godfrey)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2026 18:23:46 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] Mathpix
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Hello Bert,

I loved LaTeX in its time, but I now use markdown almost exclusively.

If I was looking for a clean version of someone else's work, I'd take markdown over LaTeX every time. The range of formatting commands is considerably smaller in markdown.

The ratio of content to formatting is therefore very high, and you won't get a backslash until you hit a symbol or equation.

All the best,
Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Bert Van Landeghem via BlindMath
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2026 2:08 am
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Bert Van Landeghem <b.vanlandeghem at sheffield.ac.uk>
Subject: [BlindMath] Mathpix

Hello everyone,

As are others on the list, I am a user of MathPix. It is very good in converting PDF documents to Latex. However, as is the case with Latex, it is sometimes a bit cumbersome to read with a Braille display especially if there is a bit of formatting in the equations. Mathpix allows conversion to latex, markdown, mathhpix markdown ... among other formats. Do people have experience with these formats and which one is easiest to read with a Braille display? Note that I am not a great 2-braille reader and so using the (experimental) Braille output with JAWS for Windows is not an option.

Kind regards,
Bert
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From ljmaher03 at outlook.com  Tue Mar 10 15:29:24 2026
From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 15:29:24 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] Speaking Invitation for STEM Students For The Science
 and Engineering
 division of the NFB
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Hello,

At our annual meeting, the Science and Engineering division would like to hear from approximately three STEM students on your STEM career, especially on what you are concentrating on now.

the Science and Engineering division's annual meeting will take place during the National Federation of the Blind<https://nfb.org/convention> annual convention which will take place from July 3 through 8, 2026,  in Austin TX. Our division meeting will take place from 6:30 PM to 10 PM on Sunday July 5, 2026.

If you are coming to the convention, would you consider giving our division a ten-minute talk on your STEM status?

If you are interested in giving such a talk, please send your name, phone number, email, and talk title to Louis Maher (713-444-7838, ljmaher03 at outlook.com<mailto:ljmaher03 at outlook.com>).

Thank you for your consideration.

Regards
Louis Maher


From ljmaher03 at outlook.com  Tue Mar 17 09:15:58 2026
From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2026 09:15:58 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] Speaking Invitation for the Science and Engineering
 division of the
 NFB
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Hello,

The Science and Engineering division is interested in hearing from individuals using the Monarch, or other multi-line, Braille display in their studies or work. The presentation would take place during the Science and Engineering division's annual meeting which will take place during the National Federation of the Blind<https://nfb.org/convention> annual convention which will take place from July 3 through 8, 2026,  in Austin TX. Our division meeting will take place from 6:30 PM to 10 PM on Sunday July 5, 2026.

If you are coming to the convention, would you consider giving our division a twenty-minute talk, with an additional five-minute question and answer period, on the topic of: how you use the multi-line display?

Thank you for your consideration.

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
Email: ljmaher03 at outlook.com<mailto:ljmaher03 at outlook.com>





From evertrasing at visio.org  Tue Mar 17 10:40:24 2026
From: evertrasing at visio.org (Evert Rasing)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2026 10:40:24 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] Speaking Invitation for the Science and Engineering
 division of
 the NFB
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Hello,

We at Royal Dutch Visio are also testing with the Monarch and DotPad. We are curious about the results of the presentations below. Is there a way to receive the results?

Best,
Evert Rasing
Royal Dutch Visio

Van: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> namens Louis Maher via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Datum: dinsdag, 17 maart 2026 om 10:17
Aan: 'blind math' <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
CC: Louis Maher <ljmaher03 at outlook.com>, 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Onderwerp: [BlindMath] Speaking Invitation for the Science and Engineering division of the NFB

Hello,

The Science and Engineering division is interested in hearing from individuals using the Monarch, or other multi-line, Braille display in their studies or work. The presentation would take place during the Science and Engineering division's annual meeting which will take place during the National Federation of the Blind<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnfb.org%2Fconvention&data=05%7C02%7Cevertrasing%40visio.org%7C12721f18c0544164491508de8406067c%7C0cdb699f57814ba0ba7eeda6bb796917%7C0%7C0%7C639093358565898923%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=U7OroVYAUtsfTNkKEbmOA2kQ8XG9qE6dKB78oCYJRjo%3D&reserved=0<https://nfb.org/convention>> annual convention which will take place from July 3 through 8, 2026,  in Austin TX. Our division meeting will take place from 6:30 PM to 10 PM on Sunday July 5, 2026.

If you are coming to the convention, would you consider giving our division a twenty-minute talk, with an additional five-minute question and answer period, on the topic of: how you use the multi-line display?

Thank you for your consideration.

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
Email: ljmaher03 at outlook.com<mailto:ljmaher03 at outlook.com>





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From ljmaher03 at outlook.com  Tue Mar 17 16:13:40 2026
From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2026 16:13:40 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] Speaking Invitation for the Science and Engineering
 division of
 the NFB
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Hello,

There will be minutes and an audio recording of the meeting. I will send it to you a few weeks after the meeting.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
Email: ljmaher03 at outlook.com

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Evert Rasing via BlindMath
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2026 5:40 AM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Evert Rasing <evertrasing at visio.org>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Speaking Invitation for the Science and Engineering division of the NFB

Hello,

We at Royal Dutch Visio are also testing with the Monarch and DotPad. We are curious about the results of the presentations below. Is there a way to receive the results?

Best,
Evert Rasing
Royal Dutch Visio

Van: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> namens Louis Maher via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Datum: dinsdag, 17 maart 2026 om 10:17
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CC: Louis Maher <ljmaher03 at outlook.com>, 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Onderwerp: [BlindMath] Speaking Invitation for the Science and Engineering division of the NFB

Hello,

The Science and Engineering division is interested in hearing from individuals using the Monarch, or other multi-line, Braille display in their studies or work. The presentation would take place during the Science and Engineering division's annual meeting which will take place during the National Federation of the Blind<https://nfb.org/convention<https://nfb.org/convention>> annual convention which will take place from July 3 through 8, 2026,  in Austin TX. Our division meeting will take place from 6:30 PM to 10 PM on Sunday July 5, 2026.

If you are coming to the convention, would you consider giving our division a twenty-minute talk, with an additional five-minute question and answer period, on the topic of: how you use the multi-line display?

Thank you for your consideration.

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
Email: ljmaher03 at outlook.com<mailto:ljmaher03 at outlook.com>





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From lmosley1 at utk.edu  Fri Mar 20 16:51:30 2026
From: lmosley1 at utk.edu (Mosley, Leigh)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2026 16:51:30 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math
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Hello all!

One of my students has been unable to get his NVDA to read MathML/MathJax properly. His NVDA is updated, his MathCAT is updated, and all his NVDA and MathCAT settings look identical to those on my laptop (Clearspeak speech style and medium verbosity), but when his NVDA encounters MathML/MathJax, it just says "clickable" and moves past the equation.  Can anyone think of anything obvious I have forgotten? I installed my own NVDA/MathCAT so long ago that maybe there is something in the setup I have forgotten about.  He has tried Chrome and Firefox (and rebooted his computer about a hundred times...), but still no luck.

Thanks so much!

Leigh

From remccleary at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 17:16:47 2026
From: remccleary at gmail.com (Ryan McCleary)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2026 13:16:47 -0400
Subject: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math
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Hi Leigh,

What NVDA version is he using, and what version of MathCAT is he using?
Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling? I'm happy to help
troubleshoot.

Best,
Ryan

On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 12:53 PM Mosley, Leigh via BlindMath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> One of my students has been unable to get his NVDA to read MathML/MathJax
> properly. His NVDA is updated, his MathCAT is updated, and all his NVDA and
> MathCAT settings look identical to those on my laptop (Clearspeak speech
> style and medium verbosity), but when his NVDA encounters MathML/MathJax,
> it just says "clickable" and moves past the equation.  Can anyone think of
> anything obvious I have forgotten? I installed my own NVDA/MathCAT so long
> ago that maybe there is something in the setup I have forgotten about.  He
> has tried Chrome and Firefox (and rebooted his computer about a hundred
> times...), but still no luck.
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Leigh
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From lmosley1 at utk.edu  Fri Mar 20 18:12:42 2026
From: lmosley1 at utk.edu (Mosley, Leigh)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2026 18:12:42 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math
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Hi Ryan,

He is running NVDA 2025.3.3 and MathCAT 0.7.5, both of which he has uninstalled and reinstalled multiple times.

Thanks!
Leigh


Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA

Accessibility Coordinator

University of Tennessee Libraries

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Sent: Friday, March 20, 2026 1:16 PM
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Cc: Mosley, Leigh <lmosley1 at utk.edu>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math

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Hi Leigh,

What NVDA version is he using, and what version of MathCAT is he using? Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling? I'm happy to help troubleshoot.

Best,
Ryan

On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 12:53 PM Mosley, Leigh via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
Hello all!

One of my students has been unable to get his NVDA to read MathML/MathJax properly. His NVDA is updated, his MathCAT is updated, and all his NVDA and MathCAT settings look identical to those on my laptop (Clearspeak speech style and medium verbosity), but when his NVDA encounters MathML/MathJax, it just says "clickable" and moves past the equation.  Can anyone think of anything obvious I have forgotten? I installed my own NVDA/MathCAT so long ago that maybe there is something in the setup I have forgotten about.  He has tried Chrome and Firefox (and rebooted his computer about a hundred times...), but still no luck.

Thanks so much!

Leigh
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From poonam at xrcvc.org  Sat Mar 21 18:48:52 2026
From: poonam at xrcvc.org (Poonam Deokar)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2026 00:18:52 +0530
Subject: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math (Mosley, Leigh)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37.1774094402.1682480.blindmath_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
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Hello Leigh,

Please check with the student if they have activated the setting in
accessibility using the following steps;

   1. Tab to go to one of the equations from the target document
   2. Press 'Space bar' to open 'Menu'
   3. Go to 'Accessibility' and press the right arrow
   4. Select 'Activate' using the 'Space bar'

Once this is done, refresh the MathML document, and NVDA should be able to
read the equations.

I encountered a similar problem last week, and these steps helped. I hope
it will work for your student, too. Let me know if it doesn't, and we
should relook at it from a different angle.

Also, would it be possible to share a sample document to check if it reads
on other systems?

Thanks and regards,
Poonam Deokar
Lead Consultant Inclusive Education, Xavier's Resource Centre for the
Visually Challenged (XRCVC <http://xrcvc.org/>),
Co-ordinator for Students with Disabilities, St. Xavier's College
<https://xaviers.ac/> (Empowered Autonomous Institute),
5, Mahapalika Marg, Mumbai-400 001
# 022-35223298 (extension 107)
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> Hello all!
>
> One of my students has been unable to get his NVDA to read MathML/MathJax
> properly. His NVDA is updated, his MathCAT is updated, and all his NVDA and
> MathCAT settings look identical to those on my laptop (Clearspeak speech
> style and medium verbosity), but when his NVDA encounters MathML/MathJax,
> it just says "clickable" and moves past the equation.  Can anyone think of
> anything obvious I have forgotten? I installed my own NVDA/MathCAT so long
> ago that maybe there is something in the setup I have forgotten about.  He
> has tried Chrome and Firefox (and rebooted his computer about a hundred
> times...), but still no luck.
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Leigh
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2026 13:16:47 -0400
> From: Ryan McCleary <remccleary at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>         <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math
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>
> Hi Leigh,
>
> What NVDA version is he using, and what version of MathCAT is he using?
> Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling? I'm happy to help
> troubleshoot.
>
> Best,
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 12:53 PM Mosley, Leigh via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello all!
> >
> > One of my students has been unable to get his NVDA to read MathML/MathJax
> > properly. His NVDA is updated, his MathCAT is updated, and all his NVDA
> and
> > MathCAT settings look identical to those on my laptop (Clearspeak speech
> > style and medium verbosity), but when his NVDA encounters MathML/MathJax,
> > it just says "clickable" and moves past the equation.  Can anyone think
> of
> > anything obvious I have forgotten? I installed my own NVDA/MathCAT so
> long
> > ago that maybe there is something in the setup I have forgotten about.
> He
> > has tried Chrome and Firefox (and rebooted his computer about a hundred
> > times...), but still no luck.
> >
> > Thanks so much!
> >
> > Leigh
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> From: "Mosley, Leigh" <lmosley1 at utk.edu>
> To: Ryan McCleary <remccleary at gmail.com>, Blind Math list for those
>         interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math
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>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> He is running NVDA 2025.3.3 and MathCAT 0.7.5, both of which he has
> uninstalled and reinstalled multiple times.
>
> Thanks!
> Leigh
>
>
> Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA
>
> Accessibility Coordinator
>
> University of Tennessee Libraries
>
> 1015 Volunteer Boulevard
>
> Knoxville, TN 37996-1000
>
> 865-974-0011
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>
>
>
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>
> You don't often get email from remccleary at gmail.com. Learn why this is
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> Hi Leigh,
>
> What NVDA version is he using, and what version of MathCAT is he using?
> Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling? I'm happy to help
> troubleshoot.
>
> Best,
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 12:53 PM Mosley, Leigh via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> One of my students has been unable to get his NVDA to read MathML/MathJax
> properly. His NVDA is updated, his MathCAT is updated, and all his NVDA and
> MathCAT settings look identical to those on my laptop (Clearspeak speech
> style and medium verbosity), but when his NVDA encounters MathML/MathJax,
> it just says "clickable" and moves past the equation.  Can anyone think of
> anything obvious I have forgotten? I installed my own NVDA/MathCAT so long
> ago that maybe there is something in the setup I have forgotten about.  He
> has tried Chrome and Firefox (and rebooted his computer about a hundred
> times...), but still no luck.
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Leigh
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From jfine2358 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 22 12:56:12 2026
From: jfine2358 at gmail.com (Jonathan Fine)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2026 12:56:12 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] Fwd: [orca] MathCAT needs translator love
In-Reply-To: <68ee202b497a32858570b96ffbaeb78000e99b17.camel@igalia.com>
References: <68ee202b497a32858570b96ffbaeb78000e99b17.camel@igalia.com>
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Hi

Anyone here interested in helping?

Best wishes
Jonathan

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Joanmarie Diggs <dmarc-noreply at freelists.org>
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2026, 11:02
Subject: [orca] MathCAT needs translator love
To: orca at freelists.org <orca at freelists.org>


Hey all.

A number of people have requested that Orca use MathCAT for its MathML
support. I was hoping someone would contribute that, but it hasn't
happened so I'm looking into doing it myself. Which brings me to what I
stated in the subject. Taking a look at
https://github.com/daisy/MathCAT/tree/main/Rules/Languages, switching to
MathCAT means a lot of you are going to start hearing English. If any of
you are familiar enough with spoken math and could contribute
translations to the MathCAT project, that would improve things
tremendously.

--joanie
_______________________________________________
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General information: https://orca.gnome.org
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https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/orca/help/
Orca documentation (translations):
https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/orca/

From driemer.riemer at gmail.com  Sun Mar 22 05:56:23 2026
From: driemer.riemer at gmail.com (Derek Riemer)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2026 23:56:23 -0600
Subject: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math
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Please go into the NVDA menu, then tools, then Run COM Registration Fixing
tool... and run that tool, you will need admin access. This has fixed math
for me in the past on occasion. What browser are you using?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 12:15 PM Mosley, Leigh via BlindMath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> [External email - use caution]
>
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> He is running NVDA 2025.3.3 and MathCAT 0.7.5, both of which he has
> uninstalled and reinstalled multiple times.
>
> Thanks!
> Leigh
>
>
> Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA
>
> Accessibility Coordinator
>
> University of Tennessee Libraries
>
> 1015 Volunteer Boulevard
>
> Knoxville, TN 37996-1000
>
> 865-974-0011
>
> lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu>
>
>
>
> Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/leighmosley
>
>
>
> [The University of Tennessee Knoxville logo]
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ryan McCleary <remccleary at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2026 1:16 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Mosley, Leigh <lmosley1 at utk.edu>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math
>
> You don't often get email from remccleary at gmail.com. Learn why this is
> important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification>
> Hi Leigh,
>
> What NVDA version is he using, and what version of MathCAT is he using?
> Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling? I'm happy to help
> troubleshoot.
>
> Best,
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 12:53 PM Mosley, Leigh via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> One of my students has been unable to get his NVDA to read MathML/MathJax
> properly. His NVDA is updated, his MathCAT is updated, and all his NVDA and
> MathCAT settings look identical to those on my laptop (Clearspeak speech
> style and medium verbosity), but when his NVDA encounters MathML/MathJax,
> it just says "clickable" and moves past the equation.  Can anyone think of
> anything obvious I have forgotten? I installed my own NVDA/MathCAT so long
> ago that maybe there is something in the setup I have forgotten about.  He
> has tried Chrome and Firefox (and rebooted his computer about a hundred
> times...), but still no luck.
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Leigh
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-- 
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Improving the world one byte at a time!        ⠠⠊⠍⠏⠗⠕⠧⠬ ⠮ ⠸⠺ ⠐⠕ ⠃⠽⠞⠑ ⠁⠞ ⠁
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•    Accessibility enthusiast.
•    Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
•    Open source enthusiast.
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•    Personal website: https://derekriemer.com

From soiffer at alum.mit.edu  Mon Mar 23 04:41:33 2026
From: soiffer at alum.mit.edu (Neil Soiffer)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2026 21:41:33 -0700
Subject: [BlindMath] Fwd: [orca] MathCAT needs translator love
In-Reply-To: 
 <CALD=Yf8AxkUttxMTKD9p67LAQmUw1x4e_5BYOAnYCaUafpB==w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68ee202b497a32858570b96ffbaeb78000e99b17.camel@igalia.com>
 <CALD=Yf8AxkUttxMTKD9p67LAQmUw1x4e_5BYOAnYCaUafpB==w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 
 <CAESRWkADeKrPq_-DP04qeQa-eWo9cSw4xHYBz2p4U-=fNhmNZQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm very excited by JoanMarie's port of MathCAT to Orca. MathCAT supports
several languages, several more are in development, and I'd like to add
many more. If you are interested in helping out, visit
https://github.com/daisy/MathCAT/issues and see if there is an issue
already open for a language you can help with. If there isn't an issue for
a language you can help with, please create one.

I am very fortunate that DAISY has decided to help with MathCAT, so (as you
can see from the issue URL), MathCAT development has moved under the DAISY
umbrella. One good thing about that is that there *might* be some money to
help support language translations. Details are still being worked on. If
you put your name on a translation issue, you'll be notified if funding
comes through.

Note: to help out, you need to know the language and math terminology in
that language, or at least well enough to know the right way to say things.
All the translations start with at least computer translations, but this
remains an area that AI is not that good at. If you use AI to help with a
translation, you need to review the results and know enough to know when
something is not good or is incomplete. For example, always saying
"fraction xxx over yyy end fraction" is not a good translation. You need to
add cases for numbers (e.g., one half), units (4 meters/second), etc. The
special cases for each notation vary by language and AI likely won't tell
you all of them.

To see what languages are already translated, visit
https://github.com/daisy/MathCAT/tree/main/Rules/Languages (it might be a
little confusing: a zh-tw exists, but not zh-cn).

    Neil


On Sun, Mar 22, 2026 at 5:57 AM Jonathan Fine via BlindMath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Anyone here interested in helping?
>
> Best wishes
> Jonathan
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Joanmarie Diggs <dmarc-noreply at freelists.org>
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2026, 11:02
> Subject: [orca] MathCAT needs translator love
> To: orca at freelists.org <orca at freelists.org>
>
>
> Hey all.
>
> A number of people have requested that Orca use MathCAT for its MathML
> support. I was hoping someone would contribute that, but it hasn't
> happened so I'm looking into doing it myself. Which brings me to what I
> stated in the subject. Taking a look at
> https://github.com/daisy/MathCAT/tree/main/Rules/Languages, switching to
> MathCAT means a lot of you are going to start hearing English. If any of
> you are familiar enough with spoken math and could contribute
> translations to the MathCAT project, that would improve things
> tremendously.
>
> --joanie
> _______________________________________________
> Orca mailing list
> orca at freelists.org
> https://www.freelists.org/list/orca
> General information: https://orca.gnome.org
> Orca documentation (English):
> https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/orca/help/
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From lmosley1 at utk.edu  Mon Mar 23 16:02:52 2026
From: lmosley1 at utk.edu (Mosley, Leigh)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 16:02:52 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math
In-Reply-To: 
 <CADvgMs_bJ8T=kGuodvqnWXA7QqvB_Lbbu-3POSc8QfHxO_zxvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
 <BL3PR02MB78601089C470008007D16048964CA@BL3PR02MB7860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAAOrL-Uks7Kde6gwHhVQwpChFt7KkAEWv9J-n12qv_EPk9uF5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <BL3PR02MB786058D6818AF8D72C8C9A65964CA@BL3PR02MB7860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: 
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Hello everyone!



I appreciate all of the thought all of you were putting into this over the weekend!  I have had some partial success this morning.



  *   Steps I have taken: Making sure all browsers (Chrome, Firefox, and Edge) are up to date, running NVDA COM tool, rebooting, right clicking “activate” on MathJax and refreshing page.



  *   Step I could not take: Updating Windows. Windows 11 Enterprise 24H2 is the latest approved version by our university IT dept. and that is what we are all running.



  *   Websites tested:
     *   https://accessibility.psu.edu/math/mathml/#test (MathJax v2.7.0)
     *   https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/physics/research/cfsa/people/pastmembers/robinson/mathjaxtest/ (MathJax v2.7.1)
     *   https://intlpress.com/JDetail/1805889101985456129 (MathJax v3.2.2)



  *   Results:
     *   Firefox: Now working! NVDA/MathCAT correctly reads math from all three of the sites above.  "Sound when starting/ending math speech" is heard.
     *   Chrome: Now working, but only for the MathJax v3.2.2 site. "Sound when starting/ending math speech" is not heard, even on MathJax v3.2.2 site.
     *   Edge: Still not working at all for any of the websites above.  "Sound when starting/ending math speech" is not heard.



My own laptop, also running Windows 11 Enterprise 24H2, NVDA 2025.3.3 and MathCAT 0.7.5 - just like my student’s workstation - reads the math in all three of the above test sites in all three browsers perfectly. NVDA debug log attached (for Chrome and Edge), and thank you again!



Best,

Leigh




Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA
Accessibility Coordinator
University of Tennessee Libraries
1015 Volunteer Boulevard
Knoxville, TN 37996-1000
865-974-0011
lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu>

Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/leighmosley

[The University of Tennessee Knoxville logo]


From: Derek Riemer <driemer.riemer at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2026 1:56 AM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ryan McCleary <remccleary at gmail.com>; Mosley, Leigh <lmosley1 at utk.edu>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math

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Please go into the NVDA menu, then tools, then Run COM Registration Fixing tool... and run that tool, you will need admin access. This has fixed math for me in the past on occasion. What browser are you using?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 12:15 PM Mosley, Leigh via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
[External email - use caution]


Hi Ryan,

He is running NVDA 2025.3.3 and MathCAT 0.7.5, both of which he has uninstalled and reinstalled multiple times.

Thanks!
Leigh


Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA

Accessibility Coordinator

University of Tennessee Libraries

1015 Volunteer Boulevard

Knoxville, TN 37996-1000

865-974-0011

lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu><mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu>>



Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/leighmosley



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________________________________
From: Ryan McCleary <remccleary at gmail.com<mailto:remccleary at gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2026 1:16 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
Cc: Mosley, Leigh <lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu>>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math

You don't often get email from remccleary at gmail.com<mailto:remccleary at gmail.com>. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification>
Hi Leigh,

What NVDA version is he using, and what version of MathCAT is he using? Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling? I'm happy to help troubleshoot.

Best,
Ryan

On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 12:53 PM Mosley, Leigh via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org><mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>> wrote:
Hello all!

One of my students has been unable to get his NVDA to read MathML/MathJax properly. His NVDA is updated, his MathCAT is updated, and all his NVDA and MathCAT settings look identical to those on my laptop (Clearspeak speech style and medium verbosity), but when his NVDA encounters MathML/MathJax, it just says "clickable" and moves past the equation.  Can anyone think of anything obvious I have forgotten? I installed my own NVDA/MathCAT so long ago that maybe there is something in the setup I have forgotten about.  He has tried Chrome and Firefox (and rebooted his computer about a hundred times...), but still no luck.

Thanks so much!

Leigh
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From soiffer at alum.mit.edu  Mon Mar 23 18:58:28 2026
From: soiffer at alum.mit.edu (Neil Soiffer)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 11:58:28 -0700
Subject: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math
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You mentioned MathJax. That's something I should have suggested looking at.
Some versions of MathJax have bugs in exposing MathML and some sites config
MathJax in ways that don't allow for MathML (that would be something they
need to change!). Also, you need to turn accessibility on for each browser
and for each website. MathJax uses cookies to remember the settings and it
can only do it per-website. Looking at the log you sent, that doesn't seem
to be the problem though:

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.ia2Web.Math._get_mathMl
(09:59:33.514) - MainThread (10848):
Error retrieving math. Not supported in this browser or ISimpleDOM COM
proxy not registered.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\ia2Web.pyc", line 336, in _get_mathMl
  File "comtypes\_post_coinit\unknwn.pyc", line 404, in QueryInterface
  File "monkeyPatches\comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 33, in __call__
_ctypes.COMError: (-2147467262, 'No such interface supported', (None, None,
None, 0, None))


That very strongly suggests a COM problem. I have not seen that problem for
web pages, but I and a few others have run into a similar problem for PDF
documents. The bad news is that we have collectively spent at least two
weeks trying to solve it and never could. It was very frustrating! Once the
problem hit, we couldn't make it go away although there were flashes that
it started to work in some cases, but the bottom line was failure. As I
said, this was for PDF which is a bit different. Something, somewhere
messed up the handling of the COM call and no amount of running the regsvr
and reboots could put humpty-dumpty back together again... and we never
found out what caused him to fall in the first place...

    Neil


On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 9:03 AM Mosley, Leigh <lmosley1 at utk.edu> wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
>
>
> I appreciate all of the thought all of you were putting into this over the
> weekend!  I have had some partial success this morning.
>
>
>
>    - Steps I have taken: Making sure all browsers (Chrome, Firefox, and
>    Edge) are up to date, running NVDA COM tool, rebooting, right clicking
>    “activate” on MathJax and refreshing page.
>
>
>
>    - Step I could not take: Updating Windows. Windows 11 Enterprise 24H2
>    is the latest approved version by our university IT dept. and that is what
>    we are all running.
>
>
>
>    - Websites tested:
>       - *https://accessibility.psu.edu/math/mathml/#test
>       <https://accessibility.psu.edu/math/mathml/#test>* (MathJax v2.7.0)
>       - *https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/physics/research/cfsa/people/pastmembers/robinson/mathjaxtest/
>       <https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/physics/research/cfsa/people/pastmembers/robinson/mathjaxtest/>*
>        (MathJax v2.7.1)
>       - *https://intlpress.com/JDetail/1805889101985456129
>       <https://intlpress.com/JDetail/1805889101985456129>*
>        (MathJax v3.2.2)
>
>
>
>    - Results:
>       - Firefox: Now working! NVDA/MathCAT correctly reads math from all
>       three of the sites above.  "Sound when starting/ending math speech" is
>       heard.
>       - Chrome: Now working, but only for the MathJax v3.2.2 site. "Sound
>       when starting/ending math speech" is not heard, even on MathJax v3.2.2 site.
>       - Edge: Still not working at all for any of the websites above.
>        "Sound when starting/ending math speech" is not heard.
>
>
>
> My own laptop, also running Windows 11 Enterprise 24H2, NVDA 2025.3.3 and
> MathCAT 0.7.5 - just like my student’s workstation - reads the math in all
> three of the above test sites in all three browsers perfectly. NVDA debug
> log attached (for Chrome and Edge), and thank you again!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Leigh
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA*
>
> Accessibility Coordinator
>
> University of Tennessee Libraries
>
> 1015 Volunteer Boulevard
>
> Knoxville, TN 37996-1000
>
> 865-974-0011
>
> lmosley1 at utk.edu
>
>
>
> Schedule a meeting with me: *https://calendly.com/leighmosley
> <https://calendly.com/leighmosley> *
>
>
>
> [image: The University of Tennessee Knoxville logo]
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Derek Riemer <driemer.riemer at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2026 1:56 AM
> *To:* Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> *Cc:* Ryan McCleary <remccleary at gmail.com>; Mosley, Leigh <
> lmosley1 at utk.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math
>
>
>
> You don't often get email from driemer.riemer at gmail.com. Learn why this
> is important <https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification>
>
> Please go into the NVDA menu, then tools, then Run COM Registration Fixing
> tool... and run that tool, you will need admin access. This has fixed math
> for me in the past on occasion. What browser are you using?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 12:15 PM Mosley, Leigh via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> [External email - use caution]
>
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> He is running NVDA 2025.3.3 and MathCAT 0.7.5, both of which he has
> uninstalled and reinstalled multiple times.
>
> Thanks!
> Leigh
>
>
> Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA
>
> Accessibility Coordinator
>
> University of Tennessee Libraries
>
> 1015 Volunteer Boulevard
>
> Knoxville, TN 37996-1000
>
> 865-974-0011
>
> lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu>
>
>
>
> Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/leighmosley
>
>
>
> [The University of Tennessee Knoxville logo]
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ryan McCleary <remccleary at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2026 1:16 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Mosley, Leigh <lmosley1 at utk.edu>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math
>
> You don't often get email from remccleary at gmail.com. Learn why this is
> important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification>
> Hi Leigh,
>
> What NVDA version is he using, and what version of MathCAT is he using?
> Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling? I'm happy to help
> troubleshoot.
>
> Best,
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 12:53 PM Mosley, Leigh via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> One of my students has been unable to get his NVDA to read MathML/MathJax
> properly. His NVDA is updated, his MathCAT is updated, and all his NVDA and
> MathCAT settings look identical to those on my laptop (Clearspeak speech
> style and medium verbosity), but when his NVDA encounters MathML/MathJax,
> it just says "clickable" and moves past the equation.  Can anyone think of
> anything obvious I have forgotten? I installed my own NVDA/MathCAT so long
> ago that maybe there is something in the setup I have forgotten about.  He
> has tried Chrome and Firefox (and rebooted his computer about a hundred
> times...), but still no luck.
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Leigh
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From lmosley1 at utk.edu  Thu Mar 26 12:56:28 2026
From: lmosley1 at utk.edu (Mosley, Leigh)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2026 12:56:28 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math
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I very much appreciate everyone’s time and efforts!

Best,
Leigh

Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA
Accessibility Coordinator
University of Tennessee Libraries
1015 Volunteer Boulevard
Knoxville, TN 37996-1000
865-974-0011
lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu>

Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/leighmosley

[The University of Tennessee Knoxville logo]


From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer at alum.mit.edu>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2026 2:58 PM
To: Mosley, Leigh <lmosley1 at utk.edu>
Cc: Derek Riemer <driemer.riemer at gmail.com>; Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>; Ryan McCleary <remccleary at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math

You don't often get email from soiffer at alum.mit.edu<mailto:soiffer at alum.mit.edu>. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification>
You mentioned MathJax. That's something I should have suggested looking at. Some versions of MathJax have bugs in exposing MathML and some sites config MathJax in ways that don't allow for MathML (that would be something they need to change!). Also, you need to turn accessibility on for each browser and for each website. MathJax uses cookies to remember the settings and it can only do it per-website. Looking at the log you sent, that doesn't seem to be the problem though:

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.ia2Web.Math._get_mathMl (09:59:33.514) - MainThread (10848):
Error retrieving math. Not supported in this browser or ISimpleDOM COM proxy not registered.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\ia2Web.pyc", line 336, in _get_mathMl
  File "comtypes\_post_coinit\unknwn.pyc", line 404, in QueryInterface
  File "monkeyPatches\comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 33, in __call__
_ctypes.COMError: (-2147467262, 'No such interface supported', (None, None, None, 0, None))

That very strongly suggests a COM problem. I have not seen that problem for web pages, but I and a few others have run into a similar problem for PDF documents. The bad news is that we have collectively spent at least two weeks trying to solve it and never could. It was very frustrating! Once the problem hit, we couldn't make it go away although there were flashes that it started to work in some cases, but the bottom line was failure. As I said, this was for PDF which is a bit different. Something, somewhere messed up the handling of the COM call and no amount of running the regsvr and reboots could put humpty-dumpty back together again... and we never found out what caused him to fall in the first place...

    Neil


On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 9:03 AM Mosley, Leigh <lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu>> wrote:

Hello everyone!



I appreciate all of the thought all of you were putting into this over the weekend!  I have had some partial success this morning.



  *   Steps I have taken: Making sure all browsers (Chrome, Firefox, and Edge) are up to date, running NVDA COM tool, rebooting, right clicking “activate” on MathJax and refreshing page.



  *   Step I could not take: Updating Windows. Windows 11 Enterprise 24H2 is the latest approved version by our university IT dept. and that is what we are all running.



  *   Websites tested:

     *   https://accessibility.psu.edu/math/mathml/#test (MathJax v2.7.0)
     *   https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/physics/research/cfsa/people/pastmembers/robinson/mathjaxtest/ (MathJax v2.7.1)
     *   https://intlpress.com/JDetail/1805889101985456129 (MathJax v3.2.2)



  *   Results:

     *   Firefox: Now working! NVDA/MathCAT correctly reads math from all three of the sites above.  "Sound when starting/ending math speech" is heard.
     *   Chrome: Now working, but only for the MathJax v3.2.2 site. "Sound when starting/ending math speech" is not heard, even on MathJax v3.2.2 site.
     *   Edge: Still not working at all for any of the websites above.  "Sound when starting/ending math speech" is not heard.



My own laptop, also running Windows 11 Enterprise 24H2, NVDA 2025.3.3 and MathCAT 0.7.5 - just like my student’s workstation - reads the math in all three of the above test sites in all three browsers perfectly. NVDA debug log attached (for Chrome and Edge), and thank you again!



Best,

Leigh




Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA
Accessibility Coordinator
University of Tennessee Libraries
1015 Volunteer Boulevard
Knoxville, TN 37996-1000
865-974-0011
lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu>

Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/leighmosley

[The University of Tennessee Knoxville logo]


From: Derek Riemer <driemer.riemer at gmail.com<mailto:driemer.riemer at gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2026 1:56 AM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
Cc: Ryan McCleary <remccleary at gmail.com<mailto:remccleary at gmail.com>>; Mosley, Leigh <lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu>>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math

You don't often get email from driemer.riemer at gmail.com<mailto:driemer.riemer at gmail.com>. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification>
Please go into the NVDA menu, then tools, then Run COM Registration Fixing tool... and run that tool, you will need admin access. This has fixed math for me in the past on occasion. What browser are you using?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 12:15 PM Mosley, Leigh via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
[External email - use caution]


Hi Ryan,

He is running NVDA 2025.3.3 and MathCAT 0.7.5, both of which he has uninstalled and reinstalled multiple times.

Thanks!
Leigh


Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA

Accessibility Coordinator

University of Tennessee Libraries

1015 Volunteer Boulevard

Knoxville, TN 37996-1000

865-974-0011

lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu><mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu>>



Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/leighmosley



[The University of Tennessee Knoxville logo]





________________________________
From: Ryan McCleary <remccleary at gmail.com<mailto:remccleary at gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2026 1:16 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
Cc: Mosley, Leigh <lmosley1 at utk.edu<mailto:lmosley1 at utk.edu>>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] NVDA with MathCAT not reading math

You don't often get email from remccleary at gmail.com<mailto:remccleary at gmail.com>. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification>
Hi Leigh,

What NVDA version is he using, and what version of MathCAT is he using? Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling? I'm happy to help troubleshoot.

Best,
Ryan

On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 12:53 PM Mosley, Leigh via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org><mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>> wrote:
Hello all!

One of my students has been unable to get his NVDA to read MathML/MathJax properly. His NVDA is updated, his MathCAT is updated, and all his NVDA and MathCAT settings look identical to those on my laptop (Clearspeak speech style and medium verbosity), but when his NVDA encounters MathML/MathJax, it just says "clickable" and moves past the equation.  Can anyone think of anything obvious I have forgotten? I installed my own NVDA/MathCAT so long ago that maybe there is something in the setup I have forgotten about.  He has tried Chrome and Firefox (and rebooted his computer about a hundred times...), but still no luck.

Thanks so much!

Leigh
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Improving the world one byte at a time!        ⠠⠊⠍⠏⠗⠕⠧⠬ ⠮ ⠸⠺ ⠐⠕ ⠃⠽⠞⠑ ⠁⠞ ⠁ ⠐⠞⠖
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•    Open source enthusiast.
•    Skier.

•    Personal website: https://derekriemer.com


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From ting.siu at wssb.wa.gov  Thu Mar 26 22:06:51 2026
From: ting.siu at wssb.wa.gov (Yue-Ting Siu)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2026 22:06:51 +0000
Subject: [BlindMath] Tech in 20: Math and AT for Blind and Low Vision
 Accessibility
 (CATT-NW)
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Hello Listers!
I coordinate the Northwest Center for Assistive Technology Training (CATT-NW) and have been following this listserv for a while. Thank you all for sharing so much info and resources - it really helps keep me updated!
I am happy that for the first time, I have something to contribute back to this community. Our CATT-NW team has been hosting a weekly training series on Zoom, taking place every Wednesday from 8:30-9am PT. We offer 20-minute tech demos each week, all focused on math and AT, including tools for accessing math and how to teach the tools for accessing math. Here is a webpage for the full event listing.<https://sites.google.com/wssb.wa.gov/cattresources/home/tech-in-20> TLDR:

  *
Register for the event<https://bit.ly/techin20-register> and receive the full training schedule with resources for each week's demo
  *
View past recorded sessions on the Tech in 20 YouTube playlist.<https://bit.ly/techin20-playlist> Subscribe to the CATT-APH youtube channel for notifications when new videos post

If anyone has a math and AT demo that you would like to share, please let me know<https://forms.gle/QzfVp9x7FNFEN7yS7>! We feature demos that showcase the AT from the American Printing House for the Blind, including: JAWS, Chameleon and Mantis, Monarch, Basic-D and Columbia embossers. We are currently booking demos for Fall 2026.

Hope some of you may find this resource helpful, and I welcome any/all to join a Tech in 20 anytime!

Ting



Yue-Ting Siu, TVI/O&M, Ph.D (she/her)

Coordinator

Northwest Center for Assistive Technology Training (CATT-NW<https://www.wssb.wa.gov/services/catt>)

Washington State School for the Blind (WSSB<https://www.wssb.wa.gov/>)

Socials: @cattnorthwest (YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIin)

Check out our CATT AT Resources website!<https://sites.google.com/wssb.wa.gov/cattresources>


