[BlindMath] Seeking guidance for Discrete Mathematics
avery ingram
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Thu Sep 3 22:16:55 UTC 2026
Thanks for the excellent recommendation, Ken! I find AI very helpful, and it's exciting to know there are academies of learning that teach people how to use it in an accessible way.
Also Arashi, it may be helpful to prompt the AI not to give you the answers when you're doing homework problems. I only say this because, when I was studying for a test one time, Picture Smart in JAWS gave me the answer, and that prevented me from being able to get practice with that problem.
Best,
Avery
On Sep 3, 2026, at 2:46 PM, kperry at blinksoft.com wrote:
The inaccuracies c an be let with if you take the academy classes and learn to use AI correctly Both Anthropic and Open AI have academies of learning that are fully accessible. If you learn to use sub agents to have them check each other for accuracy you can do amazing things.
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From: BlindMath <blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of avery ingram via BlindMath
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Cc: avery ingram <avery8ingram at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Seeking guidance for Discrete Mathematics
Hello,
I want to add to that by saying this could be worth considering if you still find that JAWS does an inadequate job of reading math. There is the option of using prompts to make AI convert things in a more readable way. The downside is potential errors/inaccuracy, but everyone prefers different methods.
Best,
Avery
On Sep 3, 2026, at 5:26 AM, Faraz Khanafari via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Hello Arushi and everyone. I have somehow developed a strategy to accessiblize math for me, which works for me most of the time in understanding digitally written math-related subjects.
Assuming there are no conceptual confusions on the subject you're dealing with, here's what I have to share:
1. Learn some basic LaTeX.
Not necessarily to compile your own output with it, but to get a sense of how things might look like in the real world. For instance, in LaTeX we know to write a subscript using an underline sign. E.g. the letter a, with a letter n as its subscript, is written in LaTeX code as a_n.
2. After having gotten a general sense of what's what and how things are generally written, I too would strongly recommend mathpix. You could, among other formats, get your ocr'ed pdf in LaTeX and or markdown, which is basically LaTeX with less drama!
That is of course, if you would prefer a plain-text output for your math book...I usually do, because it's much easier for me to navigate around in it, do copy/paste, etc.
If not, mathpix also lets you get your ocr'ed output as html, ms-word, etc.
If you feel I could help, feel free to get in touch via my email.
All the best
Faraz
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> Thank you! Your suggestions were very helpful.
>
>
>
> Hoping to learn a lot from everyone of you over the period of time.
>
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>
> Thanks
>
> Arushi
>
>
>
> From: Haylee Mota <haylee9803 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2026 11:50 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: M Aru <sheratalmi at gmail.com>; avery ingram
> <avery8ingram at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Seeking guidance for Discrete Mathematics
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>
> Arushi,
>
> When you're in Thorium and within a book, if you go to settings, there
> is an option that says enable MathJax. It is a checkbox, and it is
> close to the bottom of the settings window. Maybe try toggling this
> setting and see if the math reads.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Haylee
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2026 at 8:20 PM avery ingram via BlindMath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org> > wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for giving me the ISBN. That was really helpful, and I just
> tried out the book. I might have to get on a call with you to know
> exactly what's going wrong, but I have some initial thoughts.
>
> There are at least two problems you're dealing with here, unfortunately.
> One is that the Bookshare book writes things like a subscript n as a
> space n, so no matter what settings are active, I don't think there's
> a way to read it 100% reliably with just audio. I actually think this
> is something you could get around with practice and math knowledge.
>
> The other problem is that JAWS doesn't read math as well as a human would.
> The best thing you can do in the short-term is to have someone look at
> the print book and help you understand what it should be saying. I
> might be able to help to an extent, if you want to call or email me
> directly. It will also help somewhat to set the JAWS punctuation to
> all. To do that, alt tab to JAWS, then press alt, go to voices, then
> voice adjustment, tab to punctuation, choose all, and tab to ok and press enter.
>
> You have a few options, probably even more I'm not considering. One is
> to have your VR agency hire a tutor for you. They might try to get you
> to accept a reader/scribe, but in fields like this, I'd argue that you
> need a tutor specifically because the material is so complex. In
> addition to that, don't hesitate to use other resources your college
> has, and ask if you can get extra office hours with your professor for
> help understanding the concepts. I don't know if you are already, but
> your university should be paying for you to get a course assistant while you're in class.
>
> Using AI for the print, electronic textbook is another option. I
> believe MathPix is the most accurate, but I haven't tried it out yet.
>
> This might seem unappealing, but it's worth considering, and I'm not
> necessarily saying you need to do this. You could explain the
> situation to your professor, VR counselor, and Disability Resource
> Office. You'd say that you tried your best, but can't complete the
> course now. Don't say it like you're blaming anyone, because then
> they'll get defensive. Ask what options you have, like withdrawing
> from the class, getting an incomplete for now, and if any exceptions
> can be made. The main reason this is worth considering now is that if
> you wait until you've received the grade after the course ends, it
> would be impossible or much harder to get that to work, so doing this sooner could protect your GPA.
>
> No matter which option you choose, I'd recommend learning more Braille
> and other codes as time goes on. Knowing Nemeth or UEB Math will make
> reading math and doing scratch work much easier. Learning computer
> Braille will make programming easier. Learning LaTeX will make a few
> things easier. It sounds intimidating, but I have no doubt you can
> learn them. Which codes do you know now? I also think just learning a
> few, basic Nemeth symbols now could help a lot with being able to read the discrete math book.
>
> Best of luck, and please don't hesitate to reach out if you have more
> questions. You should be proud of the effort you've put into the
> class, considering the access you've had to the resources you need. It
> takes everyone time to figure these things out.
>
> Best,
>
> Avery
>
> On Aug 31, 2026, at 7:00 PM, Aru M <sheratalmi at gmail.com <mailto:
> sheratalmi at gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
> Hi Avery,
>
> Thank you! I really appreciate your willingness to help me out here.
>
> I have downloaded the book Discrete Mathematics and Applications by
> Kenneth Rosen (ISBN: 9781259731280) from Bookshare in Epub format and
> tried in the Thorium app but the Math content is not read correctly.
> Is there any setting on your machine that enables the Thorium reader
> to read it properly?
>
> Jaws many a times said Math content but never read any further, so
> your suggestions are really helpful.
>
> I have a APH Mantis Q40, but have not yet attempted to read the math
> content with this as I am less familiar with Nemeth.
>
>
>
> Best,
> Arushi
>
>
> From: avery ingram <avery8ingram at gmail.com
> <mailto:avery8ingram at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2026 4:59 PM
> To: M Aru <sheratalmi at gmail.com <mailto:sheratalmi at gmail.com> >
> Cc: blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org> <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org> >
> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Seeking guidance for Discrete Mathematics
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm very impressed by your level of dedication. Trying all the methods
> people recommended is a fantastic sign about your ability to succeed,
> and for people like me trying to help you, makes it much easier. Some
> people are too busy or do not have the knowledge to be able to do
> this, so this is not critical of them, but please feel free to reach
> out to me on or off list if I might be able to assist you in the future.
>
> Did you download Handbook of Discrete and Combinatorial Mathematics,
> or the exact book your class is using? I downloaded the combinatorial
> one, since it's publisher quality, but I can test the other one out if
> that will not work.
>
> I tested out a few things in sections 3.4 and 3.5. Some numerical
> things say math content, and others don't, especially if they're more
> simple. If something says math content, you can press enter on it.
> After you press enter, using left and right arrows will make it a bit
> easier to understand the math that's being spoken. If you're using a
> Braille display that's 40 cells or wider, that should be especially helpful for reading the Braille.
> If you don't have one, I'd recommend telling your college's disability
> resource office, or VR agency, like a commission for the blind, that
> you absolutely need them to buy you one in order for you to be able to
> access the materials necessary for your class, and to do coding with fewer errors.
>
> Publisher quality books are the best Bookshare has, and they tend to
> be great overall, but they vary and aren't quite as good as some books
> on OpenStax or in PreTexT in terms of a screen reader being able to read them.
> For example, the PreTexT books will probably give you the ability to
> hit down arrow to learn more about the smaller expressions in an
> equation, in a way that isn't quite working for this book. But if you
> need this book or a very similar one to line up with what the
> instructor teaches, this might be the best option.
>
> Best of luck with your studies,
>
> Avery
>
> On Aug 30, 2026, at 7:37 AM, Aru M <sheratalmi at gmail.com <mailto:
> sheratalmi at gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I really appreciate the suggestions provided by all of you.
>
> I got the subscription for ChatGPT and will be looking forward to
> leverage it for my learning.
>
> I looked into the two books through the link in the email and they
> seem to be covering almost everything that may be taught as part of this subject.
> They are very much accessible and therefore, be tremendously helpful
> in learning the concepts.
>
> A sighted person looked into the textbook in Word format (opened in
> Microsoft Word) but the equations are in text format only and
> therefore, special Math notations are gone. I was hoping that the
> equations would be in Equation Editor then I can use it but unfortunately not.
>
> Thanks for suggestion about the Thorium app. I opened the EPUB version
> of the book in the app and it is also not correctly reading the Math
> content though the content is rendered correctly. I enabled the screen
> reader optimization for the book but it didn't helped. Is there any
> setting that I need to do to enable correct Math reading?
>
>
> Thanks
> Arushi
>
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> Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Seeking guidance for Discrete Mathematics
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a solution that might work. The book Handbook of Discrete and
> Combinatorial Mathematics, from the same author, seems to be publisher
> quality, so it should render a lot better. The book might be really
> similar, but you could ask a TA to tell you which parts correspond to
> your class's book.
>
> If you get the free Thorium app on your computer, and download the
> book in epub format, it should work especially well. I think this book has images.
> Whenever you're on an equation or image, you should be able to use
> picture smart AI with JAWS. To do that, have your cursor on the image,
> then press JAWS key with space, then p, then shift with c. It might
> not give you the best description, but if you ask it a follow-up
> question and include context you remember about the image or equation,
> it should give you a great description. Best of luck.
>
> Avery
>
> On Aug 29, 2026, at 3:51 PM, Aru M via BlindMath <blindmath at nfbnet.org
> <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org> >
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am a sophomore at Purdue University studying Computer Science and
> seeking guidance in successfully navigating one of the subjects that I
> am currently struggling in.
>
> The subject is CS-182. Though, it says Computer fundamentals but it is
> essentially discrete math covering topics like Logic, proofs, sets,
> functions, complexity, induction, recursive algorithms, finite
> automata, graphs. Semester has just started but I can feel the heat.
>
> The assigned textbook "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by
> Kenneth H. Rosen is available on Bookshare.org but on downloading in
> all the possible formats available there, I find that none of them is
> truly accessible and even wonder if it shows the correct information.
> The Math equations are not read correctly.
>
> I rely completely on JAWS on the Windows laptop and haven't used
> braille in past many years. For the Math content, I use Equations
> Editor on Microsoft Word to read the problems and solve them.
>
> The DRC department at the university provides me the lecture notes and
> other related content in MS Word but I need something to read to
> understand the concepts like textbook in this case.
>
> I was wondering if anyone here faced something similar and found any
> workaround.
>
> Looking forward to any suggestions that you might deem helpful.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Arushi
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