<html class="apple-mail-supports-explicit-dark-mode"><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Does anyone know if there's a way to get around the issue of feeling while you draw, either with the Graphiti or the MOnarch, by wearing some kind of glove on one hand?</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jun 1, 2026, at 8:31\u202fAM, Amanda Lacy via BlindMath &lt;blindmath@nfbnet.org&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir="ltr">\ufeff<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">I like the pen suggestion. I could never, ever draw with one finger without the ability to feel what I was drawing with my other fingers simultaneously no matter how hard I practiced.<div><br></div><div>Another issue with the Graphiti is that you erase by entering erase mode, then touching the pins that you want to erase. The problem with this is that if the pins are raised too high, the graphiti can't detect that you're touching the display, so erasing doesn't happen.<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 1, 2026, at 9:25\u202fAM, Michael Whapples via BlindMath &lt;blindmath@nfbnet.org&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">\ufeff
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<pre style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 100%; white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word">I think though this is what the pen suggestion was meant to catch. Quite 
how the technical mechanism/working of the pen would be for an 
electronic device I don't know but the idea is reasonable. Think of it 
like the experience drawing on the plastic film on a rubber mat (here we 
call the plastic German film), your fingers don't make the plastic raise 
but the pen does.


Michael Whapples

On 01/06/2026 15:17, Ken Perry via BlindMath wrote:
&gt; What I mean by feeling when you draw is you can feel it come up as your fingers are drawing. Yes if your reviewing you have to switch modes.
&gt;
&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt; From: BlindMath &lt;blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org&gt; On Behalf Of Amanda Lacy via BlindMath
&gt; Sent: Monday, June 1, 2026 9:20 AM
&gt; To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics &lt;blindmath@nfbnet.org&gt;
&gt; Cc: Amanda Lacy &lt;aklacy@tamu.edu&gt;
&gt; Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Areas still to work on?
&gt;
&gt; How do you feel as you draw? When I'm in drawing mode, any touch, including exploration, is interpreted by the Graphiti as drawing. I can either draw, or feel what I've drawn, but I haven't found any way to do both at once.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; On May 31, 2026, at 8:37\u202fPM, Ken Perry via BlindMath &lt;blindmath@nfbnet.org&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside
&gt;&gt; your organization.
&gt;&gt; Nope I can feel it as I draw and I have used tghem from day one.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt;&gt; From: BlindMath &lt;blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org
&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org&gt;&gt; On Behalf Of Amanda Lacy via
&gt;&gt; BlindMath
&gt;&gt; Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2026 9:18 PM
&gt;&gt; To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
&gt;&gt; &lt;blindmath@nfbnet.org &lt;mailto:blindmath@nfbnet.org&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Cc: Amanda Lacy &lt;aklacy@tamu.edu &lt;mailto:aklacy@tamu.edu&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Areas still to work on?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Unless it's changed in the last few years, the Graphiti doesn't allow  you to feel as you draw. You have to touch with one finger and basically guess what you're drawing. When I draw, I draw with one hand and feel what I'm doing with the other. If I did that on the Graphiti this would mess up my drawing. I really hope the Monarch's drawing mode is better than this, because I essentially couldn't use it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; On May 31, 2026, at 6:47\u202fPM, Ken Perry via BlindMath &lt;blindmath@nfbnet.org &lt;mailto:blindmath@nfbnet.org&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from
&gt;&gt;&gt; outside your organization.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Like I said someone made something like that the problem was using the pen you couldn't see what was happening as the same time like you can on the Graphiti.  Since those of us who are blind use our hands to look it helps when you can draw and see what your doing at the same time. Using the pen you didn't know if you  hit the right spot or missed till you went back and looked.   I am not saying don't try but you might sit down with the companies that have made tactile displays and worked with field testers to see what the problems were b efore going down a road.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt;&gt;&gt; From: BlindMath &lt;blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org&gt;&gt; On Behalf Of Ray McAllister
&gt;&gt;&gt; via BlindMath
&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2026 7:45 PM
&gt;&gt;&gt; To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;blindmath@nfbnet.org &lt;mailto:blindmath@nfbnet.org&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Cc: Ray McAllister &lt;raymcal@att.net &lt;mailto:raymcal@att.net&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Areas still to work on?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; That's why it needs to be made to not respond to fingers.  You'd have a pen that would give off a slight electrical signature and the pad would only respond to that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Ray.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt;&gt;&gt; From: BlindMath &lt;blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org&gt;&gt; On Behalf Of Ken Perry via
&gt;&gt;&gt; BlindMath
&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2026 7:28 PM
&gt;&gt;&gt; To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;blindmath@nfbnet.org &lt;mailto:blindmath@nfbnet.org&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Cc: kperry@blinksoft.com &lt;mailto:kperry@blinksoft.com&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Areas still to work on?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I think that has been made.  It didn't work out as good as they thought though. The Monarch has optic sensors to track fingers though and the Graphiti has capacitiant screen to draw with.  I think the next generation of displays is going to give us a lot more power though.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt;&gt;&gt; From: BlindMath &lt;blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org&gt;&gt; On Behalf Of avery ingram via
&gt;&gt;&gt; BlindMath
&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2026 6:07 PM
&gt;&gt;&gt; To: blindmath@nfbnet.org &lt;mailto:blindmath@nfbnet.org&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Cc: avery ingram &lt;avery8ingram@gmail.com
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:avery8ingram@gmail.com&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Areas still to work on?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Great point. I think the Monarch might be able to do something similar, but I'm not sure.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; On May 31, 2026, at 2:55\u202fPM, Ray McAllister via BlindMath &lt;blindmath@nfbnet.org &lt;mailto:blindmath@nfbnet.org&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; \ufeffHere's an idea for 2d formulas, though I'd sure it would be extremely expensive, one of those things you make Voc Rehab pay for.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Instead of  1-line Braille display, you have a whole board, maybe 10 inches by 10 inches.  It's not by cells, as it's for graphics.  It's just available dots, all over it.  You'd take this "pen" type device, and as you run it over the pad, Braille dots would pop up, and the computer would register what you're doing.  You could type in letters on the computer, letters and numbers and symbols, where you want, and they'd appear under the pen, too.  The back end of the pen would send a different signal, to erase things.  You could sketch just about anything that way, actually.  The tech exists, though it's not something most people could afford, except for the government, student loans, etc.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; When you're done, you could save your work in the computer as a 2d formula.
&gt;&gt;&gt; No, I don't know how to design this.
&gt;&gt;&gt; \U0001f60a
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Ray.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt;&gt;&gt; From: BlindMath &lt;blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org&gt;&gt; On Behalf Of Ken Perry via
&gt;&gt;&gt; BlindMath
&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2026 5:13 PM
&gt;&gt;&gt; To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;blindmath@nfbnet.org &lt;mailto:blindmath@nfbnet.org&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Cc: kperry@blinksoft.com &lt;mailto:kperry@blinksoft.com&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Areas still to work on?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I will remind you there was a  time and still is in some country calculators were not used for exams.  Many colleges allow them. It won't be long before you could use AI for exams.  That is once they get good enough. That time is coming.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt;&gt;&gt; From: BlindMath &lt;blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:blindmath-bounces@nfbnet.org&gt;&gt; On Behalf Of Sukriti Suri via
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&gt;&gt;&gt; Cc: Sukriti Suri &lt;surisukriti29@gmail.com
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&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [BlindMath] Areas still to work on?
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&gt;&gt;&gt; I wonder how that would solve the problem I'd shared:
&gt;&gt;&gt; 1. The problem is not about producing math; that can be done with latex. The issue at hand is that of speed and comfort and the fact that maths is not just concerned about producing but solving.
&gt;&gt;&gt; 2. Not being a computer expert, i think this process can be employed for assignment work but not perhaps in an exam setting.
&gt;&gt;&gt; 3. I am doubtful if this approach can give an experience of even a bit closer to that of pen and paper for the sighted.
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