[BlindRUG] Flowcharts

Sat Dec 9 19:37:40 UTC 2023

Hello Khalid,

You are asking questions in an R User Group environment on things outside of R. I'm afraid that you cannot rely on getting the best answers here. You've probably hit the limit on how much I can help you. Maybe someone else can offer more than the following, but they've now had a few days to answer your original question. That suggests to me that further help is unlikely on this list. Given your time constraints, I strongly suggest you look for solutions from people who know more about the tools you are using. I'll answer the questions I can, but only on things that are known or matter to list members (R users).

WRT Quarto: I don't use VS Code but other blind people are doing so. The main Quarto site has guidance on inclusion of R and Python code as well as figure generation using several other tools.

I am not a prolific Python user, so I don't know if the library you mention is Python or something else. If it is Python, then it will fit into a Quarto workflow.

Quarto can generate an MS Word file in the end; I still recommend using HTML while you are working though because it is more accessible.

If you don't use Quarto or R markdown, then you will need to find support from a community that is using the tools you prefer. Maybe someone else on this list can point you towards a more suitable discussion group, but I do not know of a blind Python user group. There is a blind programmers' list somewhere; I only know because I've seen messages passed from that list come to other lists I'm on.

Jonathan

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Subject: Re: [BlindRUG] Flowcharts

Hello Jonathan,

For my analysis, I am required to use Matplotlib to generate the figures.

As for R, I haven't had any experience with it before.

Regarding Quarto files, I was wondering if you use Visual Studio Code to write them. Are there any good written tutorials or demos for writing Quarto files that you could suggest?

I don't quite recall, but I believe the requirement for the final submission is that it should be in either MS Word document format or PDF.

Thanks,
Khalid

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Cc: Jonathan Godfrey <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
Subject: Re: [BlindRUG] Flowcharts

Hello Khalid,

One of your questions relates to analysing data, so might be about using R to create figures.

If you make use of Quarto as against R markdown, you will have smoother access to the mermaid flow chart approach. The Quarto help pages  show this quite simply.

All figures in Quarto and R markdown documents can have an alt tag. I think though that you would need to use mermaid via the diagrammer package as mentioned by Marcus to get an alt tag for a flow chart. I use the mermaid code as my alt tag until I need it, but my flowcharts are seldom above basic level.

I'm not sure why you want a pdf which cannot be accessible. You might want one for the final version you submit, but in the meantime working in a more accessible HTML format seems sensible to me. This is why many of us use R markdown.

Even if you could build a flow chart in MS Word, and TBH, I didn't' think this was possible for a blind person to achieve independently, I doubt the conversion to pdf is going to leave you with an accessible outcome.

The use of markdown to complete your report instead of using MS Word is a decision that will not be impacted by the underlying software you are writing about.

I doubt you will get the advice you need if you choose to write your report in MS Word via this list. I'm afraid though that I don't know who you should be asking.

You can send your Quarto or R markdown document to an MS Word formatted output file if you really want one.

HTH,
Jonathan

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