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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hello Robin,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The change in organisational name is trivial with respect to the accessibility of the RStudio IDE.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of greater note is the existence (or lack) of human resource dedicated to positive improvements. I have to admit to not knowing how the staff reductions of 2023 have affected the programme
of work that was making progress on accessibility. It has been over twelve months since I had an email from the accessibility guru and I therefore can’t tell you if he is still with Posit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I still have to keep RStudio on my radar for teaching purposes. The amount of explaining I must do about the IDE and the way it works gets less each year. I have students making use of the
IDE in a variety of ways (cloud, virtual machines, and local installations) and on all operating systems (albeit a very small number using Linux). I cannot test all of these modes of operation for their accessibility.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I do believe however that the IDE will have a massive initial learning curve for screen reader users. The interaction model is much more difficult than say an email client, word processor,
and perhaps notably, spreadsheet software. I continue to find that blind students finish high school with a poor understanding of spreadsheets. Given these are immediately explorable, the idea of working with a data sheet that is not so explorable, the idea
of needing to create a formula, and generating extra panes with graphics or output, all make spreadsheets harder than other commonly used software.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In the end, part of my push for blind people to use R markdown is that they are relieved from the nonlinear multitude of windows/panes etc. I accept that they must hold an input and an output
window open, but two windows that behave like individual apps should prove easier than managing an IDE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ"> BlindRUG
<blindrug-bounces@nfbnet.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robin Williams via BlindRUG<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 4, 2024 11:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Blind R Users Group <blindrug@nfbnet.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Robin Williams <Robin.Williams@atass-sports.co.uk><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [BlindRUG] RStudio is now Posit - does this mean anything for us?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Due to its accessibility shortcomings, I am not a frequent follower of the goings on of RStudio. I have therefore only just found out that RStudio the company has been rebranded as Posit, although their initial RStudio
IDE remains named as RStudio. You can read about the rebrand in <a href="https://posit.co/blog/rstudio-is-becoming-posit/">
this blog post.</a> I do not know if there have been any further changes in terms of company structure and so on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">There was recently a discussion on another list that suggested RStudio accessibility could be slowly heading in the right direction. It sounds as though one can access various parts of the IDE, but that the use of the
review cursor (eg the JAWS cursor or NVDA screen review) was still necessary to inspect the output. If that is the case, then it may not be a huge job for Posit to drag RStudio’s accessibility up to scratch – for example, they could take inspiration from Microsoft’s
accessibility buffer in VSCode.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Can anyone here verify the current accessibility experience when using RStudio? If not, I’ll make the time to install it myself and take a look. Further, does anyone know if there is any active work to make RStudio an
accessible product? There used to be an employee of RStudio (now Posit) subscribed to this list, but I haven’t heard anything from him in at least a couple of years. The Posit website makes bold claims about ‘data science for everyone’, and I feel a renewed
effort to hold them to this claim is in order. If we could identify the current bottlenecks that are preventing RStudio from being a viable product, we could attempt to put pressure on Posit as a community.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Thoughts appreciated,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Robin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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