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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks to Gary for his thoughtful contribution.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is at least vaguely reassuring to know that accessibility at RStudio isn’t a completely dead duck. Over the next week I will endeavour to have a play with the latest
build. As a community, perhaps we can speed up the wheels of progress again with a concerted effort targeted at the powers that be. That may be wishful thinking, but we won’t know unless we try.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> BlindRUG <blindrug-bounces@nfbnet.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Godfrey via BlindRUG<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 4, 2024 8:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Seo, JooYoung via BlindRUG <blindrug@nfbnet.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jonathan Godfrey <A.J.Godfrey@massey.ac.nz><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [BlindRUG] message from Gary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Seems Gary is having trouble posting to Blind RUG. He has just sent me a message which I have snipped and clipped.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">See two parts below…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><part 1 to me specifically, but now shared><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Hi. I did survive the cutbacks, but my full-time accessibility role was significantly scaled back.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Your answer is spot-on; even though RStudio is becoming somewhat accessible on a technical level, the overall UI design is such that I don't know that it will ever be pleasant or efficient to use via screen reader.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"><Part 2 to everyone><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Hi, I'm the mentioned employee of Posit who is subscribed to this list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Most of my time at work is no longer directly focused on accessibility. This is why I've been lurking. I don't want to make promises beyond what I can realistically deliver in my role.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Progress has been slow. Not zero, but slow. It's now in a place where RStudio is partially accessible to screen readers. However, usability for doing actual work via screen reader is still quite terrible (in my personal,
non-scientific opinion).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">I usually make some accessibility fixes in each release of the RStudio IDE, so use the most recent release (2023.12.1) to try out screen-reader support.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Be aware that a "screen reader mode" needs to be enabled for some features to work. You should get an announcement when you start RStudio with a screen reader running, telling you if the mode is off and which keyboard
shortcut to use to enable it. Alt+Shift+/ on Windows. Once it's enabled, it will remain enabled for future sessions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">For reading previous output in the Console, there is a command to set focus on the output region. On Windows, the shortcut is Alt+Shift+2, or alternatively, Ctrl+backtick (grave). To navigate this region once focused,
you must switch the screen reader to browse or virtual cursor mode. We've tried coding this to make that switch happen automatically, but last time I checked it wasn't working consistently. I'm aware of the accessibility features in Visual Studio Code, and
certainly would love to incorporate some of their ideas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Some significant remaining issues, with links to github, include:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-NZ"><a href="https://github.com/rstudio/rstudio/issues/6167" target="_blank">autocomplete popups not announced by screen reader</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-NZ"><a href="https://github.com/rstudio/rstudio/issues/6168" target="_blank">Console history popup not announced by screen reader</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-NZ"><a href="https://github.com/rstudio/rstudio/issues/5652" target="_blank">keyboard focus not being well managed when showing different panes</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-NZ"><a href="https://github.com/rstudio/rstudio/issues/7869" target="_blank">Command palette sluggish with JAWS screen reader</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-NZ">a fundamentally busy and complex user interface<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">This <a href="https://support.posit.co/hc/en-us/articles/360045612413-RStudio-Screen-Reader-Support" target="_blank">article on RStudio Screen Reader support</a> is still reasonably up-to-date.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Gary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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