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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’d be happy / excited to work on this. I suspect part of the project would be to survey the community for success stories as well as the challenges. I’ve had good success teaching online by combining text
tutorials with short targeted videos that reinforce the text content. The videos are helpful as long as everything is voiced so all modalities of need/preferences are supported. Having sample datasets for following along and developing confidence with is also
helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Adding in how to setup and use R Markdown would be a great addition to the guide as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The </span>ISC grant’s timing is great, as I’m not teaching over the summer and I usually focus on project work over the summer. I’m going to start working on a proposal.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> BlindRUG <blindrug-bounces@nfbnet.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Liz Hare via BlindRUG<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 6, 2024 9:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Blind R Users Group <blindrug@nfbnet.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Liz Hare <doggene@earthlink.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [BlindRUG] [External] Re: RStudio is now Posit - does this mean anything for us, was: RE: message from Gary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yeah, I use emacs and ESS and I often think about what a steep learning curve that setup would be for a student just starting to learn statistics or coding.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I really prefer written tutorials to audio ones so I can take them at my own pace.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I might be able to help with this in the future but have a busy few months ahead.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mar 6, 2024, at 3:02 AM, Robin Williams via BlindRUG <<a href="mailto:blindrug@nfbnet.org">blindrug@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jonathan wrote:<br>
"I think we still lack an openly available set of instructions to pass to blind people who want to set up VS Code as their working environment. Pretty much all else exists somewhere."<br>
I agree, and I would add Emacs. To that end, I have purchased some audio recording equipment with a view to recording some demos of running R, within both VSCode and Emacs using Emacs Speaks Statistics. Unfortunately there are only so many hours in the day,
but I will endeavour to make time for this soon. My problem isn't so much in providing the demonstrations, but in producing the audio recordings as I am a complete novice in audio production. I'll also endeavour to post some text-based instructions somewhere.
JooYoung, who is also a member of this list, is a real leader in driving the accessibility improvements of VSCode, and it is only possible to use R in VSCode thanks to the improvements he has helped to shape.<br>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 7:51 PM<br>
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Cc: Jonathan Godfrey <<a href="mailto:A.J.Godfrey@massey.ac.nz">A.J.Godfrey@massey.ac.nz</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [BlindRUG] [External] Re: RStudio is now Posit - does this mean anything for us, was: RE: message from Gary<br>
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Hello Brian and all,<br>
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The LURN book was set up to become the accessible resource you describe. When I started that project, the resources in the mainstream were 99% inaccessible pdf; we now have a considerable number of quite accessible resources so my efforts to keep LURN updated
have fallen away.<br>
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I have no problem passing LURN on to someone who wants to continue it. I did arrange it in a fairly complicated fashion to separate the R commands from the prose so that translations could be made of the prose. I don't now how necessary that is anymore given
how easily someone could use generative AI to translate pages into their language of choice.<br>
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I think we still lack an openly available set of instructions to pass to blind people who want to set up VS Code as their working environment. Pretty much all else exists somewhere.<br>
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The rate at which I receive queries about the accessibility of R has dropped over the last ten years. I used to get five to ten each semester; today I get one or two. That says the word is getting out there.<br>
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Several articles on accessibility of courses and material appear in the Journal of Statistics Education now named to include "Data Science" as well. They are not just about blind people's needs but we do get a strong mention. I count this as a massive milestone;
not only were blind people talking access, but sighted people have become access crusaders too.<br>
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All the best,<br>
Jonathan<br>
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From: BlindRUG <<a href="mailto:blindrug-bounces@nfbnet.org">blindrug-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> On Behalf Of Richwine, Brian L via BlindRUG<br>
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2024 4:04 AM<br>
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Subject: Re: [BlindRUG] [External] Re: RStudio is now Posit - does this mean anything for us, was: RE: message from Gary<br>
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Hi, Henrik-<br>
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I'm interested in working on a project like the community-driven "Accessible User Guide to R" book. My colleague and I have been working to promote the accessibility of STEM materials and the support for STEM materials in assistive technologies. One project
we have is creating a resource that shows faculty why using R creates a more inclusive experience and enables independence. In many higher ed graduate programs, faculty insist on using other less accessible data analysis tools and students either drop their
course or end up working with a sighted assistant. Even in the courses where faculty use R, they don't know how to support students that use various forms of AT -- and neither do most disability services office staff members.<br>
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After reading through the ISC Grant Program via the link you provided, I see it says projects that "Impact only a small part of the R community" are generally not accepted. Do you know what the ISC's disposition is to accessibility and disability awareness?
Would they see the effort to promote accessibility in R has having a broad impact by allowing for a more diverse user base?<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Brian Richwine<br>
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Brian Richwine, CPACC<br>
UITS Senior Accessibility Strategist – Learning Technologies, Indiana University<br>
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Related: I think it would be beneficial if there was a go-to "current-state" of report for the accessibility of R. This could be published regularly, say every second year. I think that would help to increase the awareness in the whole community, and get a
sense of progress, and what problems have to be solved.<br>
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Maybe such a report could point to a community-driven "Accessibility User Guide to R" book, that would help answer questions like this one here. Assuming Quarto Book can produce accessible HTML output, I think that would be a good candidate. This type of book
could also help sighted developers to know what the current problems are, which would help them avoid doing the same mistakes and work towards better solutions.<br>
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I think such projects could be a fit for an R Consortium Infrastructure Steering Committee (ISC) grant, especially if it can help improve the technical infrastructure of R. The next application deadline is April 1, and the one after six months later, and so
on.<br>
See <a href="https://www.r-consortium.org/all-projects/call-for-proposals">https://www.r-consortium.org/all-projects/call-for-proposals</a> for details. (Disclaimer: I'm the ISC Chair, but the decision to award proposals is done by all ISC members collectively)<br>
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Best,<br>
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Henrik<br>
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Hi,<br>
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Thanks to Gary for his thoughtful contribution.<br>
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It is at least vaguely reassuring to know that accessibility at RStudio isn’t a completely dead duck. Over the next week I will endeavour to have a play with the latest build. As a community, perhaps we can speed up the wheels of progress again with a concerted
effort targeted at the powers that be. That may be wishful thinking, but we won’t know unless we try.<br>
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From: BlindRUG <<a href="mailto:blindrug-bounces@nfbnet.org">blindrug-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> On Behalf Of Jonathan
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Godfrey via BlindRUG<br>
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 8:28 PM<br>
To: Seo, JooYoung via BlindRUG <<a href="mailto:blindrug@nfbnet.org">blindrug@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
Cc: Jonathan Godfrey <<a href="mailto:A.J.Godfrey@massey.ac.nz">A.J.Godfrey@massey.ac.nz</a>><br>
Subject: [BlindRUG] message from Gary<br>
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Hi all,<br>
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Seems Gary is having trouble posting to Blind RUG. He has just sent me a message which I have snipped and clipped.<br>
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See two parts below…<br>
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Hi. I did survive the cutbacks, but my full-time accessibility role was significantly scaled back.<br>
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Your answer is spot-on; even though RStudio is becoming somewhat accessible on a technical level, the overall UI design is such that I don't know that it will ever be pleasant or efficient to use via screen reader.<br>
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<Part 2 to everyone><br>
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Hi, I'm the mentioned employee of Posit who is subscribed to this list.<br>
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Most of my time at work is no longer directly focused on accessibility. This is why I've been lurking. I don't want to make promises beyond what I can realistically deliver in my role.<br>
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Progress has been slow. Not zero, but slow. It's now in a place where RStudio is partially accessible to screen readers. However, usability for doing actual work via screen reader is still quite terrible (in my personal, non-scientific opinion).<br>
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I usually make some accessibility fixes in each release of the RStudio IDE, so use the most recent release (2023.12.1) to try out screen-reader support.<br>
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Be aware that a "screen reader mode" needs to be enabled for some features to work. You should get an announcement when you start RStudio with a screen reader running, telling you if the mode is off and which keyboard shortcut to use to enable it. Alt+Shift+/
on Windows. Once it's enabled, it will remain enabled for future sessions.<br>
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For reading previous output in the Console, there is a command to set focus on the output region. On Windows, the shortcut is Alt+Shift+2, or alternatively, Ctrl+backtick (grave). To navigate this region once focused, you must switch the screen reader to browse
or virtual cursor mode. We've tried coding this to make that switch happen automatically, but last time I checked it wasn't working consistently. I'm aware of the accessibility features in Visual Studio Code, and certainly would love to incorporate some of
their ideas.<br>
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Some significant remaining issues, with links to github, include:<br>
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· autocomplete popups not announced by screen reader<br>
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· Console history popup not announced by screen reader<br>
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· keyboard focus not being well managed when showing different panes<br>
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· Command palette sluggish with JAWS screen reader<br>
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· a fundamentally busy and complex user interface<br>
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· lots of quirks and bugs<br>
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This article on RStudio Screen Reader support is still reasonably up-to-date.<br>
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Gary<br>
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Quantitative Geneticist, Dog Genetics LLC<br>
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