[Blindtlk] Dictatorial Windstream Communications

Sat Jun 6 15:55:51 UTC 2009

I suspect that this whole crazy thread started with a plea from Eric that we 
all jump on the band wagon and help this poor lady named Christy who, 
according to Eric's original message, is and or was being discriminated 
against by the phone company called Winstream.  The original claim, if I 
recall correctly was that they forbade her from calling the NFB newsline 
service because they said it was a data call; and, I believe there were a 
couple of other things she was supposed not to call either.  However, from 
that point, the thread rather quickly got out of control and it went from a 
demand that we all please help this poor Christy by bombarding Windstream 
with phone calls and letters to trying to get the state NFB involved and I 
really do not remember what all it got in to after that.  What I want to 
know is this.  Just exactly what does this have to do with blindness?  I 
think it looks more like a vendetta myself.  I mean, first we have what 
looks like an innocent plea for help and then, when we calmly ask for 
greater specificity, it turns from Christy not being able to call Newsline 
to her not being able to purchase cellular telephone screen reading 
software.  Just how is Windstream preventing her from buying third party 
screen reading software?  for me, this thread began to unravel when some of 
us indicated that we also had Windstream and were not experiencing any 
issues.  Emotion is a very shallow minded and bad basis for making 
decisions; and, it never works when you're trying to present a cogent 
argument in favor of a case you're trying to make.  It seems to me like this 
entire thread is emotionally based and there is precious little fact finding 
going on here.  Frankly, I think this thread is just about at the end of the 
spool; so to speak.

Sincerely,
The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray

"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad you 
come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own land"
George Seferis

Phone or Fax::
+1 (985) 360-3614
Cell:
+1 (985) 791-2938
e-mail:
rforetjratcomcastdotnet
Skype Name:
barefootedray

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Dictatorial Windstream Communications

What the hell are you people talking about?

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:06 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Dictatorial Windstream Communications

I think he meant for her cell phone.

I agree with the general point, Eric.  Rants aren't helping.  Facts
and details are needed.  What screen reader, for what phone, and how
did she try to go about purchasing it?  Who did she contact about it?
And what exactly was she told?

Your dramatization of events without essential facts is causing
people to think that you have a vendetta against this company who may
have very good reason to block the one thing you did provide actual
information about: Using a cell phone to make frequent hours-long
calls to party lines (which is an established no-no in most cell
phone contracts, for good reason.)

You really need to calm down a bit and present a full set of facts.
In Special Education the first rule we learned is "Show me the data!"
since the data usually speaks far louder than any emotional reaction
ever could.  The same is true of corporate misconduct--especially
since what you now accuse them of is a genuinely actionable civil
rights claim if true.

Joseph

On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 08:01:20AM -0400, Cindy Handel wrote:
>OK, now you aren't telling us the whole story or the truth.  The screen
>reading software, on Christy's computer, has nothing to do with the phone
>company.  I refuse to believe that they have anything to say about it, if
>they even understand what she's talking about.  I'm sorry, but if she isn't

>any more clear with explaining herself to them than you are to us, I'm sure

>they don't understand what she's talking about.
>
>Maybe, if you calm down a little bit and get the idea out of your head that

>they're discriminating against her, on purpose, you'll have an easier time
>gathering your thoughts and making yourself understood.  The screen reading

>software has nothing to do with her phone service, is not installed on her
>phone, and they would not even know she had it, if she didn't tell them.
>
>Cindy
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Eric Calhoun" <eric at pmpmail.com>
>To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:50 PM
>Subject: [Blindtlk] Dictatorial Windstream Communications
>
>
>Wow, I was w ndering the same thing, and, in a nutshell: nothing.  If
>Christy wants to purchase screen-reading software, it's "against the Terms
>and Conditions" as a "third party."  What?  So, now, she, (Christy) has to
>be in good standing for 6 months, paying her bills on time, can get
>Internet service, but she can't get screen-reading software?  Talk about a
>dictatorial phone company!  Are you scoring at home?
>--
>
>--
>
>Want to eee-lectrify your summer?  Want to find out about future Major
>Leaguers, and independent Minor-Leaguers?  The Baseball List is your
>answer!  To join, please send an email, to eric at pmpmail.com, and put,
>"Eric, I'd like to join your baseball list," in the subject line!
>
>Eric from Los Angeles!  Remember!  It's not the size of the dog in the
>fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
>
>Eric from Los Angeles!
>
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>blindtlk mailing list
>blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>blindtlk:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/cindy425%40verizo
n.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>blindtlk mailing list
>blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
blindtlk:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40
gmail.com

_______________________________________________
blindtlk mailing list
blindtlk at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
blindtlk:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/sidney.schwartz%40
sbcglobal.net

_______________________________________________
blindtlk mailing list
blindtlk at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
blindtlk:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/rforetjr%40comcast.net