[Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

Thu Jun 18 00:17:05 UTC 2009

Great rebuttal Gary!!!
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?


> Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at work,
> because we know under your supervision it would never be tolerated. Let me
> point out, if I may, that not all blind people are diabetics, that not all
> blind people stub their toes when they go barefooted in the familiar
> surroundings of their home, and that some of us do find that the ability 
> to
> feel with our feet is of tremendous importance when doing things such as
> vacuuming, mopping, and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is 
> not
> as simple as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who is
> blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>
> Gary
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
>> Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I would say
>> yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house there is the
>> problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>> disgusting
>> or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along the 
>> water
>> line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between diabetes and
>> blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with diabetes have
>> neuropathy.
>> They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they don't
>> heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on a
>> nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a week or so.  As a
>> consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given him a feeling of
>> freedom.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ron Poire
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>> To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I like going barefoot in my own home.
>> I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I would 
>> be
>> afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>> pleasurable experience.
>> I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of diseases
>> and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, where one's feet
>> are
>> quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>> It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>> woods.
>>
>> Ron Poire
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>> To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>> Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they are 
>>> in
>>> my
>>> new place.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>
>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad 
>>> you
>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>> land"
>>> George Seferis
>>>
>>> Phone or Fax::
>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>> Cell:
>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
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>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>> Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to see
>>> his/her work.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Kathleen Millhoff" <kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you haven't
>>>> asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>> additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>> valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes carry
>>>> some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the islands
>>>> where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot inside
>>>> and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some folks
>>>> also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind). I
>>>> seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies and
>>>> the rest.
>>>> also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>> best,
>>>> kat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw this out
>>>>> there.
>>>>> Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  It's been 
>>>>> a
>>>>> couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; and 
>>>>> so,
>>>>> I
>>>>> just thought I'd get the general opinions out there.  Can it be tied 
>>>>> in
>>>>> to
>>>>> blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> -- 
>>>> kathy millhoff - "Let each morn be better than its eve, and each
>>>> morrow richer than its yesterday."
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