[Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
Sarah Baughn
sarahb006 at comcast.net
Thu Jun 18 03:14:39 UTC 2009
Yeah, and I think he also has a B.S., because he's B.S-ing everybody when he
says that he's a psychologist, because I don't think a psychologist would
trash people the way that he does. Someone who works in the field in which
he claims to work should build people up, not tear them down.
Sarah
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
> Jessica,
> It's because some blind people are unable to cope with and, therefore,
> are very angry about their blindness; rather than admitting that they have
> poor self-image and a feeling of impotency, they choose to lash out at
> others to make themselves feel powerful! Just my professional opinion,
> even though he called me a quack! I guess another way of discounting me in
> an effort to shore up his ego defense mechanisms! BTW, do the others on
> the list know that they can block individual users so as to not receive
> any messages they send to you, whether on- or off-list? You know what they
> say about what those letters stand for: B.S., M.S., Ph.D? The person to
> whom you responded has a Ph.D.: Piled high & Deeper! (smile)
>
> Fraternally,
> Marion Gwizdala, M.S. (More S**t)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jessica Kostiw" <jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
>> Hello All,
>> My name is Jessica. I am 25, and joined this list a few months back, but
>> am not sure if I introduced my self. I have been reading some, but not
>> all posts.
>>
>> Maybe I missed something, but where did all this bashing between Jeff and
>> the list come from? I should state that while I my self am lucky to
>> have a good job as a federal employee, the key word in that sentence is
>> lucky. We all know the discrimination that the blind face when trying to
>> get a job. The stats for unemployment have been around 70% for years now,
>> and we are now in a devastating economy. What does insulting one and
>> other do?? Are there people out there who just live off the system? Of
>> course. I my self have never received SSI or SSDI, I admit I have even
>> been guilty of judging some for doing so, but instead of slamming those
>> who are why not try and help them network to try and find a job. This is
>> all common sense, I could go on, but we are all adults. Last thing I
>> will say, remember while you sit there and type on your computers alone
>> in your house, what you right goes into an archive that anyone can read.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jessica Kostiw
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>> So, besides this meaningless mental masturbation, what else do you do
>>> while
>>> you sit at home living off my tax dollar. If, as the NFB says, the
>>> blind
>>> can do anything the sighted can if given a chance, why do so many of you
>>> lazy cripples sit at home living on charity.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>> Great rebuttal Gary!!!
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at
>>>> work,
>>>> because we know under your supervision it would never be tolerated. Let
>>>> me
>>>> point out, if I may, that not all blind people are diabetics, that not
>>>> all
>>>> blind people stub their toes when they go barefooted in the familiar
>>>> surroundings of their home, and that some of us do find that the
>>>> ability
>>>> to
>>>> feel with our feet is of tremendous importance when doing things such
>>>> as
>>>> vacuuming, mopping, and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It
>>>> is
>>>> not
>>>> as simple as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who
>>>> is
>>>> blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work. I would
>>>>> say
>>>>> yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid. In the house there is the
>>>>> problem of toe stubbing, etc. Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>> disgusting
>>>>> or dangerous thing you can step on or into. At the beech, along the
>>>>> water
>>>>> line is nice. Then there is the high correlation between diabetes
>>>>> and
>>>>> blindness from diabetic retinopathy. People with diabetes have
>>>>> neuropathy.
>>>>> They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet. Also they
>>>>> don't
>>>>> heal well. I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on
>>>>> a
>>>>> nail. It was in his foot and became infected after a week or so. As
>>>>> a
>>>>> consequence he lost his leg. That must have given him a feeling of
>>>>> freedom.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>> To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>> I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot. I
>>>>> would
>>>>> be
>>>>> afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>>>> pleasurable experience.
>>>>> I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of
>>>>> diseases
>>>>> and toe stubbing. Not to mention national convention, where one's
>>>>> feet
>>>>> are
>>>>> quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>>>> It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>>>>> woods.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Poire
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> new place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for? After those many years abroad
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> land"
>>>>>> George Seferis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone or Fax::
>>>>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>> Cell:
>>>>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>> e-mail:
>>>>>> rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> his/her work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Kathleen Millhoff" <kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you
>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>> asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>>>> additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>>>> valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes
>>>>>>> carry
>>>>>>> some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the
>>>>>>> islands
>>>>>>> where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot
>>>>>>> inside
>>>>>>> and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some
>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>> also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind).
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the rest.
>>>>>>> also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>> kat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> With summer practically upon us? I just thought I'd throw this
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>> Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside? It's
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; and
>>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> just thought I'd get the general opinions out there. Can it be
>>>>>>>> tied
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> blindness in any way? IF so, why? IF not, why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> morrow richer than its yesterday."
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