[Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

Sarah Baughn sarahb006 at comcast.net
Thu Jun 18 03:14:39 UTC 2009


Yeah, and I think he also has a B.S., because he's B.S-ing everybody when he 
says that he's a psychologist, because I don't think a psychologist would 
trash people the way that he does.  Someone who works in the field in which 
he claims to work should build people up, not tear them down.
Sarah
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?


> Jessica,
>    It's because some blind people are unable to cope with and, therefore, 
> are very angry about their blindness; rather than admitting that they have 
> poor self-image and a feeling of impotency, they choose to lash out at 
> others to make themselves feel powerful! Just my professional opinion, 
> even though he called me a quack! I guess another way of discounting me in 
> an effort to shore up his ego defense mechanisms!  BTW, do the others on 
> the list know that they can block individual users so as to not receive 
> any messages they send to you, whether on- or off-list? You know what they 
> say about what those letters stand for: B.S., M.S., Ph.D? The person to 
> whom you responded has a Ph.D.: Piled high & Deeper! (smile)
>
> Fraternally,
> Marion Gwizdala, M.S. (More S**t)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jessica Kostiw" <jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
>> Hello All,
>> My name is Jessica.  I am 25, and joined this list a few months back, but 
>> am not sure if I introduced my self.  I have been reading some, but not 
>> all posts.
>>
>> Maybe I missed something, but where did all this bashing between Jeff and 
>> the list  come from?  I should state that while I my self am lucky to 
>> have a good job as a federal employee, the key word in that sentence is 
>> lucky. We all know the discrimination that the blind face when trying to 
>> get a job. The stats for unemployment have been around 70% for years now, 
>> and we are now in a devastating economy.  What does insulting one and 
>> other do?? Are there people out there who just live off the system?  Of 
>> course.  I my self have never received SSI or SSDI, I admit I have even 
>> been guilty of judging some for doing so, but instead of slamming those 
>> who are why not try and help them network to try and find a job.  This is 
>> all common sense, I could go on, but we are all adults.  Last thing I 
>> will say, remember while you sit there and type on your computers alone 
>> in your house, what you right goes into an archive that anyone can read.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jessica Kostiw
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>> So, besides this meaningless mental masturbation, what else do you do 
>>> while
>>> you sit at home living off my tax dollar.  If, as the NFB says, the 
>>> blind
>>> can do anything the sighted can if given a chance, why do so many of you
>>> lazy cripples sit at home living on charity.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>> Great rebuttal Gary!!!
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at 
>>>> work,
>>>> because we know under your supervision it would never be tolerated. Let 
>>>> me
>>>> point out, if I may, that not all blind people are diabetics, that not 
>>>> all
>>>> blind people stub their toes when they go barefooted in the familiar
>>>> surroundings of their home, and that some of us do find that the 
>>>> ability
>>>> to
>>>> feel with our feet is of tremendous importance when doing things such 
>>>> as
>>>> vacuuming, mopping, and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It 
>>>> is
>>>> not
>>>> as simple as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who 
>>>> is
>>>> blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I would 
>>>>> say
>>>>> yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house there is the
>>>>> problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>> disgusting
>>>>> or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along the
>>>>> water
>>>>> line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between diabetes 
>>>>> and
>>>>> blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with diabetes have
>>>>> neuropathy.
>>>>> They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they 
>>>>> don't
>>>>> heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on 
>>>>> a
>>>>> nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a week or so.  As 
>>>>> a
>>>>> consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given him a feeling of
>>>>> freedom.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>> To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>> I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I 
>>>>> would
>>>>> be
>>>>> afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>>>> pleasurable experience.
>>>>> I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of 
>>>>> diseases
>>>>> and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, where one's 
>>>>> feet
>>>>> are
>>>>> quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>>>> It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>>>>> woods.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Poire
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> new place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your 
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> land"
>>>>>> George Seferis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone or Fax::
>>>>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>> Cell:
>>>>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>> e-mail:
>>>>>> rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to 
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> his/her work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Kathleen Millhoff" <kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you 
>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>> asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>>>> additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>>>> valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes 
>>>>>>> carry
>>>>>>> some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the 
>>>>>>> islands
>>>>>>> where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot 
>>>>>>> inside
>>>>>>> and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some 
>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>> also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind). 
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the rest.
>>>>>>> also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>> kat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw this 
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>> Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  It's 
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; and
>>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> just thought I'd get the general opinions out there.  Can it be 
>>>>>>>> tied
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> morrow richer than its yesterday."
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