[Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Thu Jun 18 04:06:35 UTC 2009 

With respect, the best way to handle such loveable individuals is to 
ignore them. Most computers have this very useful key. It's usually 
known as the DELETE key! It's a great filter!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Baughn" <sarahb006 at comcast.net>
To: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing 
List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?


Yeah, and I think he also has a B.S., because he's B.S-ing everybody 
when he
says that he's a psychologist, because I don't think a psychologist 
would
trash people the way that he does.  Someone who works in the field in 
which
he claims to work should build people up, not tear them down.
Sarah
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?


> Jessica,
>    It's because some blind people are unable to cope with and, 
> therefore,
> are very angry about their blindness; rather than admitting that they 
> have
> poor self-image and a feeling of impotency, they choose to lash out at
> others to make themselves feel powerful! Just my professional opinion,
> even though he called me a quack! I guess another way of discounting 
> me in
> an effort to shore up his ego defense mechanisms!  BTW, do the others 
> on
> the list know that they can block individual users so as to not 
> receive
> any messages they send to you, whether on- or off-list? You know what 
> they
> say about what those letters stand for: B.S., M.S., Ph.D? The person 
> to
> whom you responded has a Ph.D.: Piled high & Deeper! (smile)
>
> Fraternally,
> Marion Gwizdala, M.S. (More S**t)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jessica Kostiw" <jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>
>
>> Hello All,
>> My name is Jessica.  I am 25, and joined this list a few months back, 
>> but
>> am not sure if I introduced my self.  I have been reading some, but 
>> not
>> all posts.
>>
>> Maybe I missed something, but where did all this bashing between Jeff 
>> and
>> the list  come from?  I should state that while I my self am lucky to
>> have a good job as a federal employee, the key word in that sentence 
>> is
>> lucky. We all know the discrimination that the blind face when trying 
>> to
>> get a job. The stats for unemployment have been around 70% for years 
>> now,
>> and we are now in a devastating economy.  What does insulting one and
>> other do?? Are there people out there who just live off the system? 
>> Of
>> course.  I my self have never received SSI or SSDI, I admit I have 
>> even
>> been guilty of judging some for doing so, but instead of slamming 
>> those
>> who are why not try and help them network to try and find a job. 
>> This is
>> all common sense, I could go on, but we are all adults.  Last thing I
>> will say, remember while you sit there and type on your computers 
>> alone
>> in your house, what you right goes into an archive that anyone can 
>> read.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jessica Kostiw
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>> So, besides this meaningless mental masturbation, what else do you 
>>> do
>>> while
>>> you sit at home living off my tax dollar.  If, as the NFB says, the
>>> blind
>>> can do anything the sighted can if given a chance, why do so many of 
>>> you
>>> lazy cripples sit at home living on charity.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>> Great rebuttal Gary!!!
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at
>>>> work,
>>>> because we know under your supervision it would never be tolerated. 
>>>> Let
>>>> me
>>>> point out, if I may, that not all blind people are diabetics, that 
>>>> not
>>>> all
>>>> blind people stub their toes when they go barefooted in the 
>>>> familiar
>>>> surroundings of their home, and that some of us do find that the
>>>> ability
>>>> to
>>>> feel with our feet is of tremendous importance when doing things 
>>>> such
>>>> as
>>>> vacuuming, mopping, and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. 
>>>> It
>>>> is
>>>> not
>>>> as simple as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone 
>>>> who
>>>> is
>>>> blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Jeff Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I 
>>>>> would
>>>>> say
>>>>> yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house there is 
>>>>> the
>>>>> problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>> disgusting
>>>>> or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along 
>>>>> the
>>>>> water
>>>>> line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between 
>>>>> diabetes
>>>>> and
>>>>> blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with diabetes have
>>>>> neuropathy.
>>>>> They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they
>>>>> don't
>>>>> heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped 
>>>>> on
>>>>> a
>>>>> nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a week or so. 
>>>>> As
>>>>> a
>>>>> consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given him a feeling 
>>>>> of
>>>>> freedom.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>> To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>> I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I
>>>>> would
>>>>> be
>>>>> afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>>>> pleasurable experience.
>>>>> I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of
>>>>> diseases
>>>>> and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, where one's
>>>>> feet
>>>>> are
>>>>> quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>>>> It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in 
>>>>> the
>>>>> woods.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Poire
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing 
>>>>> List"
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as 
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> new place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years 
>>>>>> abroad
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from 
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> land"
>>>>>> George Seferis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone or Fax::
>>>>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>> Cell:
>>>>>> +1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>> e-mail:
>>>>>> rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> his/her work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Kathleen Millhoff" <kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing 
>>>>>> List"
>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you
>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>> asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>>>> additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>>>> valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes
>>>>>>> carry
>>>>>>> some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the
>>>>>>> islands
>>>>>>> where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot
>>>>>>> inside
>>>>>>> and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some
>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>> also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper 
>>>>>>> kind).
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes 
>>>>>>> Berkies
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the rest.
>>>>>>> also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>> kat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw 
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>> Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside? 
>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> just thought I'd get the general opinions out there.  Can it be
>>>>>>>> tied
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> kathy millhoff - "Let each morn be better than its eve, and each
>>>>>>> morrow richer than its yesterday."
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