[Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?

Thu Jun 18 21:53:37 UTC 2009

I agree; he does not have humar in his life, I guess.Steve
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From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: 
Re:shouldblindpeople go barefoot?

>I don't think the problem was the humor. I think it was the insult given to
> the list by a man who seemed to regard most of us as uneducated morons.
>
> Gary
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re:
> shouldblindpeople go barefoot?
>
>
>> Why can't we have some humor once in awhile ??
>> Steve
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:22 AM
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] not the fire I intended to start: was: Re: should
>> blindpeople go barefoot?
>>
>>
>>> I'm afraid I agree wit Dave on this one.  I just meant this as an
>>> innocent
>>> fun question.  I did not intend for it to become what it has.  I 
>>> maintain
>>> that either we should return to the subject of the original thread, or,
>>> as
>>> Dave indicates below, allow it to die.  This will most likely be the 
>>> last
>>> time I try to lighten things up a bit.  It pains me to think that a
>>> question
>>> meant to lighten things up could turn out to result in what it has.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>
>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad 
>>> you
>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>> land"
>>> George Seferis
>>>
>>> Phone or Fax::
>>> +1 (985) 360-3614
>>> Cell:
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>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>
>>>
>>> Everybody please drop this thread.  Jeffrey has been removed from the
>>> list, and banned from rejoining.  This is not the first list on which
>>> he has caused trouble.
>>>
>>> David Andrews
>>>
>>> At 07:46 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>>Jeff,
>>>>
>>>>I don't know you personally, will probably never meet you, and I
>>>>cannot begin to tell you what incredible joy that brings me.  When
>>>>you used the word "crap" in your post, that is a perfect description
>>>>of your attitude.  I know I am going to hear about what I just said
>>>>from people on the list and probably the list owner, but so be
>>>>it.  I am barefoot in my own home all the time, am not a stupid,
>>>>uncoordinated or clumsy person.  How dare you to be so presumtuous
>>>>about other blind people, and yes, I probably spelled that word wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Connie Canode
>>>>At 06:09 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>Hello Jeff. Yes, we only discuss this kind of thing when you are at
>>>>>work, because we know under your supervision it would never be
>>>>>tolerated. Let me point out, if I may, that not all blind people
>>>>>are diabetics, that not all blind people stub their toes when they
>>>>>go barefooted in the familiar surroundings of their home, and that
>>>>>some of us do find that the ability to feel with our feet is of
>>>>>tremendous importance when doing things such as vacuuming, mopping,
>>>>>and, incidentally, looking for dropped change. It is not as simple
>>>>>as saying that anyone with brains wears shoes, and anyone who is
>>>>>blind is necessarily stupid if they don't. Get a grip!
>>>>>
>>>>>Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Schwartz"
>>>>><sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:15 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Is this the kind of crap you folks discuss when I'm at work.  I would
>>>>>>say
>>>>>>yes, if you happen to be blind and stupid.  In the house there is the
>>>>>>problem of toe stubbing, etc.    Outside, who knows what kind of
>>>>>>disgusting
>>>>>>or dangerous thing you can step on or into.  At the beech, along the
>>>>>>water
>>>>>>line is nice.  Then there is the high correlation  between diabetes 
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>blindness from diabetic retinopathy.  People with diabetes have
>>>>>>neuropathy.
>>>>>>They lose the feelings in their extremities, like feet.  Also they
>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>heal well.  I had a patient who, in his home, barefoot, he stepped on 
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>nail.  It was in his foot and became infected after  a week or so.  As
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>consequence he lost his leg.  That must have given him a feeling of
>>>>>>freedom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>On
>>>>>>Behalf Of Ron Poire
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
>>>>>>To: Ray Foret jr; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>I like going barefoot in my own home.
>>>>>>I never thought about mopping the floor or vacuuming barefoot.  I 
>>>>>>would
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>afraid of stubbing my toe on something, which would ruin the whole
>>>>>>pleasurable experience.
>>>>>>I would definitely not go barefoot in a public place, because of
>>>>>>diseases
>>>>>>and toe stubbing.  Not to mention national convention, where one's 
>>>>>>feet
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>quite vulnerable to people's canes and sniffing dogs.
>>>>>>It's a great comic discussion, on a par with walking barefoot in the
>>>>>>woods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ron Poire
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr"
>>>>>><rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>>>To: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:19 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Especially when the floors are all completely smooth tile, as they 
>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>new place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your 
>>>>>>>own
>>>>>>>land"
>>>>>>>George Seferis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3614
>>>>>>>Cell:
>>>>>>>+1 (985) 791-2938
>>>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder"
>>>>>>><gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:43 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Vacuuming and mopping are much easier because it is easy for one to
>>>>>>>see
>>>>>>>his/her work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Millhoff"
>>>>>>><kmillhoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:31 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] should blind people go barefoot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi, you could have Robert make a TP out of this; and, yes, you
>>>>>>>>haven't
>>>>>>>>asked this question for quite some time. I would bet that the
>>>>>>>>additional tactile and vestibular info offered by bare feet is
>>>>>>>>valuable to blind people. to say nothing of the fact that shoes 
>>>>>>>>carry
>>>>>>>>some pretty yucky stuff into the house. You should move to the
>>>>>>>>islands
>>>>>>>>where people wear shoes when necessary, but mostly are barefoot
>>>>>>>>inside
>>>>>>>>and wearing zoris (what you guys call flip-flops) outside. (some
>>>>>>>>folks
>>>>>>>>also call them slippers, but they're not the bedroom slipper kind). 
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>seldom find shoes that work well for me, and this includes Berkies
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>the rest.
>>>>>>>>also, it's always summer here I'm glad to say.
>>>>>>>>best,
>>>>>>>>kat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 6/17/09, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>With summer practically upon us?  I just thought I'd  throw this 
>>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>>Should blind people go barefoot; either inside or outside?  It's
>>>>>>>>>been
>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>couple or three years since somebody else broached the subject; and
>>>>>>>>>so,
>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>just thought I'd get the general opinions out there.  Can it be 
>>>>>>>>>tied
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>blindness in any way?  IF so, why?  IF not, why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ray
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>kathy millhoff - "Let each morn be better than its eve, and each
>>>>>>>>morrow richer than its yesterday."
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