[Blindtlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Sat Aug 28 02:47:14 UTC 2010
I've been on all but one of the Marches for Independence. (grin)
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "davidw" <dwermuth1 at earthlink.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 5:53:50
Subject: Re: [Bltlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>
>
> Mari,
>
> If you ask most of the people on here if they went thru a little depression
> after losing their sight you'd find most would agree. I to put on a few
> pounds, got lazy not wanting to go any where and quite frankly felt like
> giving up at times.
>
> Over time though it seems to get easier and your self esteem grows with each
> accomplishment you make.
>
> Hell, I use to get lost in my own back yard, walk down the middle of a
> street missing the curb crossing the street, and walked with my head down.
>
> That was 15 years ago and now I walk with my head up and now even can laugh
> at myself when I do something embarrassing because of my blindness.
>
> Don't worry about Mike, I've met him and I think that from his physical
> looks the last time he walked was back in the 70's. Smile Mike age gets the
> best of us all.
>
> David Wermuth
> www.atozadaptiveaidz.com
> Email / David at atozadaptiveaidz.com
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mari Hunziker" <marihunziker at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Bltlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
>
>
> > Mike,
> > Good point. That is my problem though. I need to get in shape before I am
> > able to get my lazy bum out in that heat. I know it will be so good for me
> > and my kids to walk. And for some reason- I really want to I just can't
> > imagine myself doing it, which is actually really silly because I have
> > walked to and from my son's school several times. It was last year. the
> > summer has turned me into one big fat lazy bum. I work from home on my
> > computer so that doesn't help with exercising much. I also do have some
> > medical conditions (blood disorder) that makes me feel so super fatigued
> > all
> > the time. Gotta exercise! I think that will help. Thanks. and Yes, liquids
> > help hydrate your body to be able to manage the heat. So true. Mari
> > Hunziker
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> >
> >ar Mari:
> >ar
> >ar When I lived in New Mexico during the 1970's, I didn't think twice about
> >ar walking five miles in 105-457ree heat: I just drank a gallon of ice tea
> >ar when
> >ar I started and another when I arrived at my destination.
> >ar
> >ar I truly don't want to come across holier-than-thou but I confess to
> >ar wondering sometimes if we -- every one of us -- have gone wimpy over the
> >ar last few decades! Look at it this way: if you and your children walked
> >ar both
> >ar ways, you'd both be in far better shape than am I right now! (grin)
> >ar
> >ar Mike
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mari Hunziker"
> >ar <marihunziker at gmail.com
> >ar >
> >ar To: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List" <
> >ar blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >ar Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:55 AM
> >ar
> >ar Subject: Re: [Bltlk] The Cost of Independent Travel
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar I have gotten to the point that I would rather sit at home and do
> >ar nothing
> >>> than ask someone for a ride. Some people get so frustrated or seem to be
> >>> bothered by having to help me out sometimes. Yesterday, I paid a friend
> >>> $30
> >>> dollars in gas money to drive my son home from school. My 1st grade son,
> >>> is
> >>> not eligible to ride the school bus because his elementary school only
> >>> offers busing to kids with special needs. I asked for special
> >>> accommodations
> >>> for our situation and they were not able to help. I paid the my friend
> >>> because I could not see myself walking 1.75 miles to the school and back
> >>> another 1.75 miles back in 105 degree heat. I told the district
> >>> transportation manager that when the heat index is so dangerously hot it
> >>> should be mandatory that kids get rides home somehow. It breaks my heart
> >>> that kids have to walk, ride their bike, etc home in that heat. My
> >>> transportation needs have been met by a kind friend willing to drive out
> >>> of
> >>> her way to bring my son home. I was so blessed the last couple of years
> >>> to
> >>> have a friend in my neighborhood be willing to carpool with us. My
> >>> husband
> >>> drove the kids in the morning and she brought them home after school. It
> >>> was
> >>> great. But of course things always change and we (I) must learn to deal
> >>> with
> >>> it like I am trying to. I just signed my 2 year old daughter up for
> >>> Dance
> >>> class and then called up CARTS to arrange a ride. So happy they can take
> >>> us
> >>> and charge us $3 each way. We will see how it goes. I wish visually
> >>> impaired
> >>> / blind people received a living expense stipend like they do in Canada.
> >>> It
> >>> would be so helpful for those of us living on a budget and for those of
> >>> us,
> >>> like myself who live in the suburbs with no public nor para transit
> >>> system.
> >>>
> >>> You all are fabulous. Thanks for all of the words of wisdom posted on
> >>> here.
> >>> I love it.
> >>>
> >>> Mari Hunziker
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net
> >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Diane,
> >>>> I also find it interesting that people are "amazed" that it might take
> >>>> us
> >>>> 2 hours to get somewhere that, by car, only takes 30 minutes. They also
> >>>> express concern over how much a taxicab cost. I point out to them that
> >>>> I
> >>>> get
> >>>> a lot of work done on my commutes by making telephone calls and doing
> >>>> writing. I also share with them the comparitive savings of taxicabs,
> >>>> when
> >>>> necessary, and public transportation for regular, everyday needs, as
> >>>> opposed
> >>>> to a $300 car payment, $500 insurance payment, $200/month gas budget,
> >>>> not
> >>>> to
> >>>> mention tune-ups, oil changes, tires and rotations, etc.
> >>>> I generally use the public transportation fixed route system for most
> >>>> of
> >>>> my travel needs, Para transit when necessary, and taxicabs for those
> >>>> times
> >>>> when neither of those forms of transportation are viable, e.g.
> >>>> inclement
> >>>> weather, gigs where I need to take my sound gear, and entertainment
> >>>> that
> >>>> gets out after the buses stop running! I guess it's all a matter of
> >>>> perspective!
> >>>>
> >>>> Fraternally yours,
> >>>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graves, Diane"
> >>>> <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
> >>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:49 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Bltlk] Grilling question
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey Mary,
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You know it's funny. Another thing that came to mind after I sent my
> >>>>> post
> >>>>> was my amazement at how frustrated I've seen some sighted people get,
> >>>>> when
> >>>>> they have to hop into the driver's seat and take a 15 minute ride in
> >>>>> their
> >>>>> car, to go somewhere that they weren't planning to go. Maybe to run an
> >>>>> errand to the grocery store, or go pick up a child, or take a child's
> >>>>> friend
> >>>>> home. It just blows me away. I'm like "give me a break."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My sister-in-law is like that. She always wants me to come out into
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> suburbs to her house, but never wants to come into the city to pick me
> >>>>> up or
> >>>>> visit me. I'm thinking, "hey lady, you're the one who drives!"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But see, even if you are sighted you get locked into a routine, and
> >>>>> are
> >>>>> frustrated by the little unexpected inconveniences that come up.
> >>>>> Inconveniences that seem almost ridiculous to a blind person who would
> >>>>> love
> >>>>> to be able to drive independently and take care of some of those
> >>>>> things
> >>>>> without the hassle of planning.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Diane Graves
> >>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
> >>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> >>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> >>>>> 317-232-2647
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "It is service that measures success."
> >>>>> George Washington Carver
> >>>>>
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> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>> On
> >>>>> Behalf Of Mari Hunziker
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:23 AM
> >>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Bltlk] Grilling question
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you Diane and Gary,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your words of wisdom have left me to ponder about what the Lord has in
> >>>>> store
> >>>>> for me as a mother of two wonderful children. I know that I was given
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> opportunity for a reason. I know that being visually impaired will
> >>>>> only
> >>>>> enhance my life. Yes, Diane I wish as well that I could spend $1000 in
> >>>>> an
> >>>>> afternoon and not think twice. Being financially secure does help make
> >>>>> life
> >>>>> a bit more comfortable but not necessarily happier. It takes a lot
> >>>>> more
> >>>>> self
> >>>>> assurance of oneself to be happy. That is what I think my real issue
> >>>>> is.
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> want to be happy with all that I have. I am most of the time. Its that
> >>>>> emotional roller coaster that I don't enjoy riding at times. But for
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> most part life is good. Thank you for your words of wisdom. I really
> >>>>> appreciate it.
> >>>>> Mari Hunziker
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Graves, Diane <dgraves at icrc.in.gov>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Mary,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First, please know that I do understand your feelings and
> >>>>>> frustrations
> >>>>>> all
> >>>>>> too well. I have definitely been there before, and occasionally still
> >>>>>> go
> >>>>>> there. I think there was a lot of wisdom to be found in Gary's post,
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> so
> >>>>>> I'll just second it with a couple of points.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't care how well adjusted and accomplished you are as a blind
> >>>>>> person,
> >>>>>> there are times when having sight would simply be more convenient. It
> >>>>>> does
> >>>>>> get frustrating sometimes. But if you think about it, this is true in
> >>>>>> many
> >>>>>> areas of our lives. I often find myself feeling envious of those who
> >>>>>> can
> >>>>>> go
> >>>>>> shopping, spend $1000 in an afternoon, and not think twice about it,
> >>>>>> while I
> >>>>>> am struggling to make sure all of the bills are paid. I am frustrated
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> the members of congress charged with making our tax and economic
> >>>>>> decisions,
> >>>>>> are the people making more money than most of us will ever see.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am often disgusted by the women who complain and refer to
> >>>>>> themselves
> >>>>>> as
> >>>>>> "fat" because they can't fit into a size 4 dress, when I would give
> >>>>>> anything
> >>>>>> to see a size 14 again
> >>>>>> . These are just some small, maybe silly, examples, but my point is
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> blindness is just one of the many frustrations that life has to
> >>>>>> offer.
> >>>>>> Life
> >>>>>> has dealt us all a partial deck of cards, and we just have to learn
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> play
> >>>>>> the best game we can with the cards that we've been dealt. But, as
> >>>>>> any
> >>>>>> skilled card player knows, the more you practice, the more skilled
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> become.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just know that while you are concerned about transportation issues
> >>>>>> where
> >>>>>> school is concerned, some other mother is agonizing over how she is
> >>>>>> going
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> get new shoes for her child, or pay for the after school childcare.
> >>>>>> Another
> >>>>>> mother is worried about how she is going to get her wayward,
> >>>>>> rebellious
> >>>>>> teenager through high school in one piece, and on and on. This is
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> say that your concerns aren't frustrating and understandable. Please
> >>>>>> don't
> >>>>>> think that that is what I am saying at all. I'm just saying that the
> >>>>>> blind
> >>>>>> community is not the only population that encounters these
> >>>>>> frustrations.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I hope this makes a little bit of sense, at least. Gary did a much
> >>>>>> better
> >>>>>> job than I. If you are able to attend an NFB Training Center I think
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>> would be great for you. It is always something that I wanted to do,
> >>>>>> but
> >>>>>> never had the opportunity. All the reports I have heard though have
> >>>>>> been
> >>>>>> amazing, and, if nothing else, it would offer you support and build
> >>>>>> your
> >>>>>> level of self confidence. I know that having a child would pose
> >>>>>> concerns
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> this area too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Feel free to vent to us any time. We are all here to help you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (big cyber hug for you)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Diane Graves
> >>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
> >>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> >>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> >>>>>> 317-232-2647
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
> >>>>>> George Washington Carver
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>>> On
> >>>>>> Behalf Of Mari Hunziker
> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:13 PM
> >>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Bltlk] Grilling question
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you so much for sharing that Mike. I would love to learn more
> >>>>>> about
> >>>>>> the NFB centers. I am now needing more assistance in finding creative
> >>>>>> ways
> >>>>>> of finding transportation for my son to get to and from school each
> >>>>>> day.
> >>>>>> Not
> >>>>>> being able to drive or to do other things is a constant struggle. I
> >>>>>> wish
> >>>>>> there was someway to get over the emotional roller coaster I ride
> >>>>>> every
> >>>>>> day.
> >>>>>> Some days thinking its a blessing to be blind and other days it is a
> >>>>>> curse.
> >>>>>> How have you all gotten over this?
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Mari Hunziker
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> > As a matter of fact, one of the things done at our NFB centers is
> >>>>>> > to
> >>>>>> > do
> >>>>>> > some grilling and other chores that involve working with fire >
> >>>>>> precisely
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> > get people over their fear of being burned. It's not thatanyone >
> >>>>>> wishes
> >>>>>> > to
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>> > burned but (a) blindness doesn't increase one's risks assuming one
> >>>>>> > is
> >>>>>> > careful and (b) we want to turn that fear into what might be termed
> >>>>>> healthy
> >>>>>> > respect for fire which still allows one to work with it. At the end
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> > day, it becomes another lesson that blindness need not prevent us >
> >>>>>> from
> >>>>>> > leading normal lives.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Mike
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" > <
> >>>>>> dandrews at visi.com>
> >>>>>> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:22 PM
> >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Bltlk] Grilling question
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > A totally blind person can grill or smoke. i have a gas grill,
> >>>>>> > and
> >>>>>> > a
> >>>>>> >ar large off-set smoker and use them regularly. I have also grilled
> >>>>>> >ar >ar
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>> >ar charcoal -- although the gas grill is easier.
> >>>>>> >ar
> >>>>>> >ar There are lots of techniques to do stuff. One good source is our
> >>>>>> >ar >ar
> >>>>>> blind
> >>>>>> >ar cooks list
> >>>>>> >ar
> >>>>>> >ar http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-cooks_nfbnet.org
> >>>>>> >ar
> >>>>>> >ar Dave
> >>>>>> >ar
> >>>>>> >ar p.s. You mentioned a "fear of getting burned." Just like with an
> >>>>>> >ar >ar
> >>>>>> oven,
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> >ar pot of boiling water, a gas stove etc., you can get burned if you
> >>>>>> >ar >ar
> >>>>>> don't
> >>>>>> do
> >>>>>> >ar stuff carefully and correctly, but like with the other things
> >>>>>> >ar there
> >>>>>> >ar >ar
> >>>>>> are
> >>>>>> >ar ways.
> >>>>>> >ar
> >>>>>> >ar
> >>>>>> >ar At 08:42 AM 8/24/2010, you wrote:
> >>>>>> >ar
> >>>>>> >>> Was anyone of you grillers afraid of the fire and the potential
> >>>>>> >>> for
> >>>>>> >>> getting
> >>>>>> >>> burned. That is what keeps me from doing it. We have a charcoal
> >>>>>> >>> grill/smoker. My brother, father and husband have mastered the
> >>>>>> >>> >>>
> >>>>>> great
> >>>>>> >>> taste
> >>>>>> >>> of grilled food. I have always thought that I could not grill or
> >>>>>> >>> do
> >>>>>> >>> things
> >>>>>> >>> of that nature because I am blind(visually impaired). I now think
> >>>>>> >>> it
> >>>>>> >>> might
> >>>>>> >>> just be a fear of getting burned. I do cook fairly well in doors,
> >>>>>> >>> I
> >>>>>> never
> >>>>>> >>> thought about trying it outdoors. The next time we grill out. I
> >>>>>> >>> >>>
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> >>> to
> >>>>>> >>> pay more attention on how it is done so that I may someday try
> >>>>>> >>> it.
> >>>>>> >>> Who
> >>>>>> >>> knows, I may like doing it.
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >ar
> >>>>>> >ar David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com
> >>>>>> >ar Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
> >>>>>> >ar
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