[Blindtlk] Grilling question

Sun Aug 29 01:58:43 UTC 2010

Hurrah for Diane. Great coment.
Rohn Poire

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
To: <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" 
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question

> Hi Gary Janette, and All,
>
> I just had to applaud and affirm Gary's statement.  (You know me, I can't 
> be quiet.) (smile) I have been thinking about this since this morning when 
> I read Jim's message expressing amazement over the fact that his simple 
> question about facebook had sparked some sparring.
>
> Believe me, I am preaching to myself here as much as anyone else. I have 
> certainly had my moments on the list in recent months. But those of us who 
> have been in the federation for years need to remember that we have some 
> on this list, some of whom we don't even know about, who are looking for 
> support and understanding and a caring community. If all they see is one 
> cat fight, and sizzling comment after another, why would they want to stay 
> and be a part of that? If they see someone getting snapped at for asking a 
> simple question, how could they feel comfortable asking any of their 
> tentative questions about blindness? Do you know what I mean?
>
> We are all different people from different walks of life and with 
> differing backgrounds. We are one organization, but we are not cloans of 
> one another. Given that fact, we aren't always going to agree. We aren't 
> always going to have the same morals, passions or  convictions. We may not 
> even all like each other all of the time. (smile) But the fact is, the 
> purpose of our organization is to change what it means to be blind for all 
> of us, especially for those who are new to blindness or the federation 
> philosophy. That's why we're here. At least it should be.
>
> We are not all seasoned federationists. So at times when we feel compelled 
> to post that strong or biting comments, maybe we need to step away from 
> the key board and think about that person who is quietly standing on the 
> sidelines, waiting for an invitation.
>
> Everyone have a great weekend.
> Diane Graves
> Civil Rights Specialist
> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> 317-232-2647
>
> "It is service that measures success."
> George Washington Carver
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Gary Wunder
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:57 PM
> To: 'Jeanette Fortin'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>
> Hi Jeanette. I am so glad to hear you say that support you have gotten 
> from
> the NFB is helping you cope with the upsetting changes in your life. 
> Little
> notes like yours give those of us who volunteer our time and energy to
> maintain the organization a compelling reason to work harder, keep 
> sharing,
> and transmit the love and concern we feel for you and others who are 
> blind.
> Being a friend, advisor, and confidant are all important things we do, and
> sometimes they are overshadowed by the arguments and conflicts which all 
> too
> often crop up in organizations, and especially on e-mail lists. It is
> refreshing to know that once in a while our real message and mission come
> clear. Thank you for this affirmation, and thank you also for keeping us 
> all
> focused on the real objective of extending a hand of Hope to our fellow
> travelers.
>
>
> Gary
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeanette Fortin
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:03 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>
> Gary,
> Your words are encouraging to me as well even though i have been blind 
> since
> i was 8 years old, NFB, which is new to me, is encouraging and all the 
> folks
> i have  met so far have been amazingly encouraging and helpful.
> I have raised three teen agers and managed a home for years but still have
> moments of fear and discouragement. I habve been a single momfor three 
> years
> and i think living on my own with the kids after 18 years  of marriage to 
> a
> sighted man  has been one of the most frightening but rewarding times in 
> my
> life. I have truly learned how gracious the Lord is and how much i ca ndo
> through his strength. Jeanette
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>
>
>> I'll second that motion.
>>
>> Diane Graves
>> Civil Rights Specialist
>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> 317-232-2647
>>
>> "It is service that measures success."
>> George Washington Carver
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Bonnie Lucas
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:34 AM
>> To: gwunder at earthlink.net; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>
>> I just love your kind, genuine and loving responses that you give to
>> people.
>> Keep adding your tidbits because I am certain that those who read them
>> are greatly benefitted.
>> Bonnie Lucas
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:44 AM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>
>> Hi Mari. I think the way most of us get over the ups and downs is by
>> living with them so long that they go away, or mostly so. I think
>> there are times when everyone of us goes through a day when we say
>> "man, I wish the transportation system were better for blind people.
>> What a bummer it is not to be able to drive my own car!" For many of
>> us, however, we've simply learned to plan, to work out arrangements
>> where we pay people to do things we can't do or trade them volunteer
>> activities so that what we need gets done. It isn't always easy, and
>> it certainly isn't intuitive. It is something one has to learn, and
>> sometimes it means that we who are blind or less spontaneous about
>> things we do. If, for example, you are going to use the pear transit
>> system. You won't decide today at two o'clock that you are going to
>> the mall and be there by 3:30. You will decide today that you would
>> like to go to the mall, and you will go there sometime tomorrow. If
>> you get a stack of mail and don't happen to have technology that will
>> let you easily read it, you put it in a mail basket and you wait for
>> your weekly visit from someone who can sort through it and help you
>> make appropriate responses.
>> These things won't seem normal at first, but they will over time, and
>> they are techniques which have been shown to work.
>>
>> If you can arrange it, I think going to an NFB center is a splendid idea.
>> You will learn many techniques, but more importantly you will learn a
>> different way to think about being blind. I think it is a stretch to
>> say that I think of blindness as a blessing, but it is no exaggeration
>> to look at my life and admit that though blindness has cost me some
>> opportunities, it has also given me some. It has limited some of my
>> decisions and has made others possible. I don't know if I would have
>> gone to college were it not for the vocational rehabilitation program
>> that offered to pay every red cent that it took to get me through
>> school. I doubt that I would have the current job I have, or probably
>> even the jobs before it. Most likely I would have followed in the
>> footsteps of my father who ran a successful excavating and
>> construction business, and who knows where I would be now. I might be
>> substantially better off based on thirty-five years of building a
>> quality business, or I might be suffering through the significant
>> recession which now finds many people in the construction industry out
>> of work and fighting to keep their own homes.
>>
>> I think the key to being happy is captured, at least to some degree,
>> in the words of the serenity prayer, and then having the humility to
>> be thankful for what one has. Maybe if I could write all of the
>> specifications God used before placing me on the earth, I'd have
>> designed a human being with the brains of Bill Gates, the looks of
>> Brad Pitt, and the sincerity of Jimmy Stewart. As it is, God did the
>> designing, so I'll just do my best to be Gary Wunder.
>>
>> It is very nice to meet you, Mari, and you'll make it through this
>> transition just fine. You have brains and a good heart. Those two
>> assets are golden.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Mari Hunziker
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:13 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>
>> Thank you so much for sharing that Mike. I would love to learn more
>> about the NFB centers. I am now needing more assistance in finding
>> creative ways of finding transportation for my son to get to and from
> school each day.
>> Not
>> being able to drive or to do other things is a constant struggle. I
>> wish there was someway to get over the emotional roller coaster I ride
>> every day.
>> Some days thinking its a blessing to be blind and other days it is a
>> curse.
>> How have you all gotten over this?
>> Thanks,
>> Mari Hunziker
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As a matter of fact, one of the things done at our NFB centers is to
>>> do some grilling and other chores that involve working with fire
>>> precisely to get people over their fear of being burned. It's not
>>> thatanyone wishes to be burned but (a) blindness doesn't increase
>>> one's risks assuming one is careful and (b) we want to turn that fear
>>> into what might be termed healthy respect for fire which still allows
>>> one to work with it. At the end of the day, it becomes another lesson
>>> that blindness need not prevent us from leading normal lives.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews"
>>> <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Grilling question
>>>
>>>
>>>  A totally blind person can grill or smoke.  i have a gas grill, and
>>> a
>>>> large off-set smoker and use them regularly.  I have also grilled
>>>> with charcoal -- although the gas grill is easier.
>>>>
>>>> There are lots of techniques to do stuff.  One good source is our
>>>> blind cooks list
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-cooks_nfbnet.org
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> p.s.  You mentioned a "fear of getting burned."  Just like with an
>>>> oven, a pot of boiling water, a gas stove etc., you can get burned
>>>> if you don't do stuff carefully and correctly, but like with the
>>>> other things there are ways.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 08:42 AM 8/24/2010, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Was anyone of you grillers afraid of the fire and the potential for
>>>>> getting burned. That is what keeps me from doing it. We have a
>>>>> charcoal grill/smoker. My brother, father and husband have mastered
>>>>> the great taste of grilled food. I have always thought that I could
>>>>> not grill or do things of that nature because I am blind(visually
>>>>> impaired). I now think it might just be a fear of getting burned. I
>>>>> do cook fairly well in doors, I never thought about trying it
>>>>> outdoors. The next time we grill out. I will have to pay more
>>>>> attention on how it is done so that I may someday try it. Who
>>>>> knows, I may like doing it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                        David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com Follow me
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