[Blindtlk] Fwd: Article from Minneapolis Star-TribuneScienceAndTechnology 2010 07 02

Robert J Smith rsmith247 at csc.com
Thu Jul 8 14:30:28 UTC 2010 

Hi -- as far as distributing the article goes, a sighted friend had 
actually sent me a link to it so I had heard it before.  If in doubt, I 
wonder if the sending of a link and not the actual article text would be 
legal.

Bob Smith

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From:
"Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
To:
Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Date:
07/08/2010 10:23 AM
Subject:
Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Article from Minneapolis 
Star-TribuneScienceAndTechnology 2010 07 02



However, the articles provided by NFB-Newsline are not publicly
available. As I stated, some newspapers charge for access to their
website's content (for example, the Charlotte Observer, in Charlotte,
North Carolina, available on NFB-Newsline, charges for access to their
website content. Thus, only people who have paid for a subscription or
paid for website access would have access to the articles in the first
place. By forwarding from NFB-Newsline, we are passing on articles
that we have not paid for access to and may or may not be passing on
to others who would have access to them (some blind people do not use
Newsline)). Thus, we are privoding access to people who would onrmally
have to pay for the priveledge (and remember, not everyone on this
group is blind, but may simply have blindness-related interests).

Again, I would refer you to the quote at the bottom of the
NFB-Newsline articles that are e-mailed out. They specifically forbid
distribution of *any* kind, and that would include forwarding to
friends or groups. I will look up more specifics today, but I stand by
what the NFB-Newsline says, forbidding *any* distribution.

~Jewel
Treasure Chest for the Blind
blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com

On 7/8/10, Graves, Diane <dgraves at icrc.in.gov> wrote:
> I would tend to disagree. I am currently a student, and my university 
takes
> a major stand against plagiarism and copyright infringement, as well 
they
> should. What we have been taught is that, as long as the source--the 
author
> and publication--are credited, use of the information is legal.  It 
would be
> no different than someone copying an article on a photo copier and using 
it
> as a handout for a class they were teaching or what have you.
> As long as proper citations are made, it is not illegal to use printed
> information.
>
>
>
> Diane Graves
> Civil Rights Specialist
> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> 317-232-2647
>
> "It is service that measures success."
> George Washington Carver
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
On
> Behalf Of Jewel S.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:36 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Article from Minneapolis 
Star-TribuneScienceAnd
> Technology 2010 07 02
>
> Some newspapers charge a fee for access to their online articles,
> though subscribers to the print newspapers usually have free access to
> the online articles. Through Newsline, we have free access to articles
> that most people have to pay for access to, so distributing them to
> friends and groups takes money away from the newspapers who charge for
> their articles.
>
> As I said earlier, if you can find it online for free, than passing it
> on to friends and gropus is fine (though it's better to put part of
> the article and link back to the website), as long as you note who it
> is from and link to them. But direct forwards from NFB-Newsline is
> copyright infringement. You must do your research and be sure that the
> article is available free online before forwardig. For example, there
> was an article a few months ago that people kept talking about, about
> a man whose guide dog was killed in Washington. They had read it on
> Newsline. I found it on Newsline and e-mailed it to myself, then found
> the post in the Seattle Times (which has online content for free).
> Then, I cut and paste the article and gave a link to the page on the
> Seattle Times' page. That is acceptable, because they have free
> content on their website and I linked back to their page.
>
> Just because everyone does it does not make it right. I will do some
> research and find the actual guidelines/rules. But read the bottom
> line of any e-mails from Newsline. That is the most obvious rule. See
> my quote...that is a direct quote from the bottom of the article
> forwarded. It basically says that these articles are provided as a
> courtesy, and distribution is copyright infringement and thus illegal.
>
> ~Jewel
>
> On 7/7/10, Dewey Bradley <dewey.bradley at att.net> wrote:
>> Ya, downloading really does rip off the artists  because thats one more
>> song
>> they cant sell, but forwording a news artical that has already been put
>> out,
>> that they don't get money from is one thing.
>> But if it is against the law, well then I don't know.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michelle Medina" <michellem86 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Article from Minneapolis
>> Star-TribuneScienceAnd
>> Technology 2010 07 02
>>
>>
>>> Bottom line, people do it all the time.
>>> It's just like downloading. That's copyright infringement to, but they
>>> do it anyway.
>>> I've seen hyde nor hare of rules about this though, & for once, I'd
>>> say you're right, since you aren't making any money off of it.
>>> Michelle
>>>
>>> On 7/7/10, Dewey Bradley <dewey.bradley at att.net> wrote:
>>>> I do forword articals to a friend because I know they would enjoy it, 
I
>>>> really don't thing about it.
>>>> Are you shore that doing that is aginst the rules?
>>>> The stories are public.
>>>> I thought that if you make money from it, then you can't do that, but
>>>> what's
>>>> the harm in sharing a news story with a friend.
>>>> I'm not questioning you, where is the rules posted so that people can
>>>> read
>>>> them?
>>>> I don't want to rune this great service by no means what so ever, But 
do
>>>> you
>>>> really think that they really care if we share something that is 
already
>>>> been released?
>>>> good day to you!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Article from Minneapolis Star-Tribune
>>>> ScienceAnd Technology 2010 07 02
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "This article is provided to you as a courtesy of NFB-NEWSLINE(r) 
Online
>>>> for your sole use. The content of this E-mail is protected under
>>>> copyright law, and is not to be distributed in any manner to others;
>>>> infringement of our non-dissemination agreement is strictly
>>>> prohibited."
>>>>
>>>> Do you not read that little bit at the bottom? Newsline articles are
>>>> *not* for redistribution. If you want to forward an article, you need
>>>> to go to the website of the newspaper and see if it is available on
>>>> their website. If it is available online, you can copy *part* of the
>>>> article and point people to the website.
>>>>
>>>> We must be very careful about copyright infringement. By posting this
>>>> article directly from NFB-Newsline, you are breaking copyright laws.
>>>> This direct e-mail service from Newsline is provided as a courtesy,
>>>> and if we abuse it, it may be taken away, not to mention Newsline
>>>> could be taken away altogether.
>>>>
>>>> I know I am sounding mean and motherly and all that, but please,
>>>> PLEASE do not ruin this service for everyone else by breaking the
>>>> rules. Yes, it is an interesting article, but unless it is available
>>>> online, you should simply say "Did anyone read such-and-such article
>>>> from such-and-such newspaper?" and go from there with a summary.
>>>>
>>>> Let's not break the copyright laws, please!
>>>>
>>>> ~Jewel
>>>> Treasure Chest for the Blind
>>>> blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>> On 7/4/10, Dewey Bradley <dewey.bradley at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> This is neat.
>>>>> I just wonder how this would work out in the country, Were I'm from 
and
>>>>> were
>>>>> my stepdad still lives is about a mile from the paved road, out 
where
>>>>> cell
>>>>> phones don't work.
>>>>> That would be nice to go home by my self, but going out in the woods
>>>>> has
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> hole new set of challenges, like potholes and animals.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> To: <nfb-announce at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:29 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Article from Minneapolis Star-Tribune 
Science
>>>>> And
>>>>> Technology 2010 07 02
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: NFB-NEWSLINE Online <nfbnewsline at nfb.org>
>>>>>>To: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>>Subject: Article from Minneapolis Star-Tribune Science And 
Technology
>>>>>>2010
>>>>>>07 02
>>>>>>Date: Sun,
>>>>>>   4 Jul 2010 00:51:42 -0400 (EDT)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That driver must be blind! Someday he may be; group to show 
high-tech
>>>>>>car
>>>>>>the blind can drive     By KEN THOMAS ,  Associated Press
>>>>>>WASHINGTON - Could a blind person drive a car? Researchers are 
trying
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>make that far-fetched notion a reality. The National Federation of 
the
>>>>>>Blind and Virginia Tech plan to demonstrate a prototype vehicle next
>>>>>>year
>>>>>>equipped with technology that helps a blind person drive a car
>>>>>>independently. The technology, called "nonvisual interfaces," uses
>>>>>>sensors
>>>>>>to let a blind driver maneuver a car based on information 
transmitted
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>him about his surroundings: whether another car or object is nearby, 
in
>>>>>>front of him or in a neighboring lane. Advocates for the blind 
consider
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>a "moon shot," a goal similar to President John F. Kennedy's pledge 
to
>>>>>>land
>>>>>>
>>>>>>a man on the moon. For many blind people, driving a car long has 
been
>>>>>>considered impossible. But researchers hope the project could
>>>>>>revolutionize
>>>>>>
>>>>>>mobility and challenge long-held assumptions about limitations. 
We're
>>>>>>exploring areas that have previously been regarded as unexplorable,"
>>>>>>said
>>>>>>Dr. Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation of the Blind.
>>>>>>We're
>>>>>>moving away from the theory that blindness ends the capacity of 
human
>>>>>>beings to make contributions to society. The Baltimore-based
>>>>>>organization
>>>>>>was announcing its plans for the vehicle demonstration at a news
>>>>>>conference
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Friday in Daytona Beach, Fla. Maurer first talked about building an
>>>>>>automobile that the blind could drive about a decade ago when he
>>>>>>launched
>>>>>>the organization's research institute. Some people thought I was 
crazy
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>they thought, 'Why do you want us to raise money for something that
>>>>>>can't
>>>>>>be done? Others thought it was a great idea," Maurer said. Some 
people
>>>>>>were
>>>>>>
>>>>>>incredulous. Others thought the idea was incredible. The vehicle has
>>>>>> its
>>>>>>roots in Virginia Tech's 2007 entry into the DARPA Grand Challenge, 
a
>>>>>>competition for driverless vehicles funded by the Defense 
Department's
>>>>>>research arm. The university's team won third place for a 
self-driving
>>>>>>vehicle that used sensors to perceive traffic, avoid crashing into
>>>>>> other
>>>>>>cars and objects and run like any other vehicle. Following their
>>>>>>success,
>>>>>>Virginia Tech's team responded to a challenge from the National
>>>>>>Federation
>>>>>>of the Blind to help build a car that could be driven by a blind
>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>Virginia Tech first created a dune buggy as part of a feasibility 
study
>>>>>>that used sensor lasers and cameras to act as the eyes of the 
vehicle.
>>>>>> A
>>>>>>vibrating vest was used to direct the driver to speed up, slow down 
or
>>>>>>make
>>>>>>
>>>>>>turns. The blind organization was impressed by the results and urged
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>researchers to keep pushing. The results will be demonstrated next
>>>>>>January
>>>>>>on a modified Ford Escape sport utility vehicle at the Daytona
>>>>>>International Speedway before the Rolex 24 race. The latest vehicle
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>use nonvisual interfaces to help a blind driver operate the car. One
>>>>>>interface, called DriveGrip, uses gloves with vibrating motors on 
areas
>>>>>>that cover the knuckles. The vibrations signal to the driver when 
and
>>>>>>where
>>>>>>
>>>>>>to turn. Another interface, called AirPix, is a tablet about half 
the
>>>>>>size
>>>>>>of a sheet of paper with multiple air holes, almost like those found 
on
>>>>>>an
>>>>>>air hockey game. Compressed air coming out of the device helps 
inform
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>driver of his or her surroundings, essentially creating a map of the
>>>>>>objects around a vehicle. It would show whether there's another 
vehicle
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>a nearby lane or an obstruction in the road. A blind person, who has
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>yet been chosen, will drive the vehicle on a course near the famed
>>>>>>Daytona
>>>>>>race track and attempt to simulate a typical driving experience. Dr.
>>>>>>Dennis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hong, a mechanical engineering professor at Virginia Tech who leads 
the
>>>>>>research, said the technology could someday help a blind driver 
operate
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>vehicle but could also be used on conventional vehicles to make them
>>>>>>safer
>>>>>>or on other applications. Advocates for the blind say it will take 
time
>>>>>>before society accepts the potential of blind drivers and that the
>>>>>>safety
>>>>>>of the technology will need to be proven through years of testing. 
But
>>>>>>more
>>>>>>
>>>>>>than anything, they say it's part of a broader mission to change the
>>>>>> way
>>>>>>people perceive the blind. Mark Riccobono, executive director of the
>>>>>>NFB's
>>>>>>Jernigan Institute, said when he walks down the street with his
>>>>>>3-year-old
>>>>>>son, many people might think he, as a blind person, is being guided 
by
>>>>>>his
>>>>>>son. The idea that a 3-year-old takes care of me stems from what 
they
>>>>>>think
>>>>>>
>>>>>>about blindness," Riccobono said. That will change when people see 
that
>>>>>>we
>>>>>>can do something that they thought was impossible."   ___   Online:
>>>>>>National Federation of the Blind:  
http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Default.asp
>>>>>>(c)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2010 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.               .
>>>>>>
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Online
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>>>>>>law,
>>>>>>
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of
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>>>>>>non-dissemination agreement is strictly prohibited.
>>>>>>
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the
>>>>>>Terms of Use agreement that you electronically signed when you 
signed
>>>>>> up
>>>>>>for NFB-NEWSLINE(r) Online. Please do not forward this E-mail or its
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>                          David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
>>>>> Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
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