[Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith disabilityvsnondisabledsociety

Thu Jun 3 00:10:36 UTC 2010

What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?

Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for everything.

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith 
disabilityvsnondisabledsociety

> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is adequate
> public transportation!
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>
>
>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it is
>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some areas
>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually all
>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get hired and
>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia Pacific or
>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government layoffs as
>> well.
>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be done.
>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion that
>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as independent
>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There are
>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging them is
>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and I've
>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to is
>> insecurity with being blind.
>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for a
>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that Auburn's
>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet blind
>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a social
>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have ran
>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about it.
>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much? Initially
>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize they is a
>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to suit
>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology field,
>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There is this
>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that stuff.
>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I might
>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that blind
>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some have
>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>> note: thanks to all of you
>>
>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both make good
>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I know 
>>> that
>>> I
>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it not for
>>> being
>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people than most,
>>> and
>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly hard work
>>> and
>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They then
>>> expected
>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>
>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at the same
>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can prioritize
>>> your
>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down) and deal
>>> with
>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the hardest thing
>>> for
>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It doesn't
>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at something. I keep
>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them badly.
>>> It's
>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>
>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who will
>>> teach
>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be blind,
>>> had
>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful, and
>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I recently 
>>> read
>>> by
>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS systems.
>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. The book 
>>> is
>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael is a guy
>>> who
>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to succeed.
>>>
>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're doing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>
>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing List'"
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>>
>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply be
>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are advantages
>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates decides that he
>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he doesn't have
>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the way that I
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these things.
>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,  and we lead
>>>> productive and full lives.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Diane Graves
>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>
>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>> George Washington Carver
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>
>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one sitting I
>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know all the
>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>
>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion that you
>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to compare
>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, you don't
>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad was the
>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have run and
>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without sight, I
>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry. Because I
>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a degree,
>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience introduced
>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to a
>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at home.
>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question without an
>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without spending
>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging one has
>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, but
>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the problem
>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we say it.
>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather than
>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of honor.
>>>>
>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things hard
>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is wanted
>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to often work
>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the screen.
>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but the
>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive enough
>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>
>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be better
>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority are 
>>>> worse.
>>>> In
>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with our
>>>> people.
>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with training and
>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take that
>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use - preferably a
>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home, support
>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone wins.
>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around the
>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>
>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at your
>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the same time
>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If you
>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once had, you'll
>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which may come
>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may just
>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>>>
>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take it on.
>>>>
>>>>
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