[Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety

Thu Jun 3 12:07:43 UTC 2010

I can think of one blind guy who is a farmer.  I haven't seen him in several 
years so I can't answer all your other questions.

Also my husband is a farmer.  He is sighted so irrelevant to most of this, 
but it does put limits on locations where we can live.  The original 
suggestion was to move to a place with public transportation.  What I am 
saying is that for me and probably other blind people, that isn't practical.

Again each individual person has to look at their situation, choices and 
desires and do what is right for themselves.

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority 
complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety

> Julie:
>
>
>   How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and I
> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within their
> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as well.
> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see? Do
> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause I
> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has his
> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives alive
> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just saying.
>
> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>
>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for everything.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>
>>
>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is 
>>> adequate
>>> public transportation!
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>
>>>
>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it is
>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some areas
>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually all
>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get hired and
>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia Pacific or
>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government layoffs as
>>>> well.
>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be done.
>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion that
>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as independent
>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There are
>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging them is
>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and I've
>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to is
>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for a
>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that Auburn's
>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet blind
>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a social
>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have ran
>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about it.
>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much? Initially
>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize they is a
>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to suit
>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology field,
>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There is this
>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that stuff.
>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I might
>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that blind
>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some have
>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both make good
>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I know
>>>>> that
>>>>> I
>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it not for
>>>>> being
>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people than 
>>>>> most,
>>>>> and
>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly hard work
>>>>> and
>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They then
>>>>> expected
>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>>>
>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at the 
>>>>> same
>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can 
>>>>> prioritize
>>>>> your
>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down) and 
>>>>> deal
>>>>> with
>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the hardest 
>>>>> thing
>>>>> for
>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It 
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at something. I 
>>>>> keep
>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them badly.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>>>
>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who will
>>>>> teach
>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be blind,
>>>>> had
>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful, and
>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I recently
>>>>> read
>>>>> by
>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS 
>>>>> systems.
>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. The book
>>>>> is
>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael is a 
>>>>> guy
>>>>> who
>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to succeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're doing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>
>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing 
>>>>> List'"
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply be
>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are 
>>>>>> advantages
>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates decides that 
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he doesn't have
>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the way that 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these things.
>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,  and we lead
>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>> George Washington Carver
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>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one sitting 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know all the
>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion that you
>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to compare
>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, you don't
>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad was 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have run 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without sight, I
>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry. Because I
>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a degree,
>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience introduced
>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to a
>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at home.
>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question without an
>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without spending
>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging one has
>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, but
>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the problem
>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we say it.
>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather than
>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of honor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things hard
>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is wanted
>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to often work
>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the 
>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but the
>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive enough
>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be 
>>>>>> better
>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority are
>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with our
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with training 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take that
>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use - preferably a
>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home, support
>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone wins.
>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around the
>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at your
>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the same time
>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If you
>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once had, 
>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which may 
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may just
>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take it on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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