[Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
Steve Johnson
stevencjohnson at centurytel.net
Thu Jun 3 12:45:44 UTC 2010
Peter,
I would like to chime in here as well. Although not a farmer, one of my
very good friends is a first generation farmer who is totally blind and
lives in a rural county here in Western Wisconsin. He has had his share of
ups and downs, but has been very successful in the terms of how he
individually measures his own success. As a raiser of beef cattle, and
chickens he also supplements his farming with rebuilding alternators and
starters for farm equipment and all with the use of one hand as he lost the
use of his right hand in a manure spreader accident. Due to his success, he
is able to hire a driver to come to town weekly to purchase supplies at our
Farm & Fleet, go to Sam's club, Old Country buffet and then back home. He
is not married and hires an occasional hand when needed, but doesn't *rely*
on the Government. Furthermore, he is not a member of the NFB and has been
successful due to his willingness not to accept anything less than what he
has put into his efforts. He is not a high tech farmer, and uses
traditional methods to farm but is now trying to make his business more
efficient through some computerization. I am certain that some of us can
provide countless examples, and we have, but the issue here is not what we
can do for you, but what you need to do for yourself. We all have a
*story* and confront barriers on a daily basis as this is just a simple fact
of being blind. Each of us is successful in our own right not by others
have done for us, but what we have ultimately decided to do for ourselves.
I never thought I would live to be around today as I had a kidney pancreas
transplant 20 years ago coming up this January and was placed in a nursing
home at the age of 22 only to be thrown out into the bigger and meaner world
to fend for myself as a blind person. However, I have overcome much
adversity, got involved in my community, region, state and Federal level
issues that impact my peers and I am not speaking just for persons who are
blind and decided to do something about it. I have been successful again in
how I determine success, and have accomplished more in my non-sighted life
than when I did when I had sight and I am very proud of this. Although I am
just now starting to become involved with the NFB, this is also new to me,
and I can turn to my peers for sound advice or just to listen to what they
have to say because, it is important to me, and no one else. So, your fate
is in your hands, and whether you listen and take to heart what your peers
are self-disclosing is your choice, and so is your choice to come up with
excuses as why not to change the situation you are in. Peter, I cannot and
will not tell you what you need to do, nor will anyone else here on this
list from what I will venture, so I am going to call the question, what is
it you really want to do with your life? If it is ending it, then you need
to seek counseling, therapy, get on some medication, and call your crisis
hotline immediately. If it is to bitch and complain and be the the reason
why society looks at blind persons as if they cannot do for themselves, then
I will resort back to the latter option and get on some freaking medication
*dude*.
Steven
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
You want to live where is no public transportation, that is certainly your
business. Don't depend on the government to provide you with
transportation!!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> Julie:
>
>
> How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and I
> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within their
> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as well.
> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see? Do
> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause I
> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has his
> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives alive
> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just saying.
>
> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>
>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for everything.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>
>>
>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is
>>> adequate public transportation!
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>
>>>
>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it
>>>> is that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some
>>>> areas don't facilitate transportation and I have been around
>>>> virtually all types of blind people. There is a good number that
>>>> can't get hired and private companies in particilar go against it
>>>> like Goergia Pacific or have halfway commitments like car plants.
>>>> Then, government layoffs as well.
>>>> Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be done.
>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion that
>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as independent
>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There are
>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging them
>>>> is a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and
>>>> I've done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down
>>>> to is insecurity with being blind.
>>>> About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for a
>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that
>>>> Auburn's NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you
>>>> meet blind people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities
>>>> isn't a social networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail
>>>> and I have ran into three blind people here just one has left and that
is about it.
>>>> What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much?
>>>> Initially when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I
>>>> realize they is a element of corruption and huge sin risks by word
>>>> scrambling to suit your own agenda that I don't like at all. So,
>>>> the psychology field, history and political science all weren't
>>>> what I wanted. There is this initative to get math and science students
at Auburn to do that stuff.
>>>> I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I
>>>> might just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is
>>>> computer scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve
>>>> that blind people have to do all of this calculus information like
>>>> some have fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with
>>>> supposedly successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both make
>>>>> good points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that
>>>>> I know that I wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have
>>>>> had were it not for being blind. I have had the boone of meeting
>>>>> more successful people than most, and finding that they are
>>>>> willing to share their secrets (mostly hard work and techniques
>>>>> that make sense once you learn them) with me. They then expected
>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>>>
>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at the
>>>>> same time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
>>>>> prioritize your needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get
>>>>> them all down) and deal with them one at a time, you can see some
>>>>> progress. I think the hardest thing for me to learn, and to
>>>>> explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It doesn't mean that you
>>>>> are less of a person. Everyone fails at something. I keep trying
>>>>> new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them badly.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>>>
>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who
>>>>> will teach you the things that they do. None of us would have
>>>>> planed to be blind, had we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us
>>>>> are happy, successful, and satisfied with life anyway. As I write,
>>>>> I remember a book I recently read by a fellow named Mike May. Mike
>>>>> now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS systems.
>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. The
>>>>> book is called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that
>>>>> Michael is a guy who just never learned to fail. He failed until
>>>>> he found ways to succeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're doing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>
>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>> List'"
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply be
>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
>>>>>> advantages to having money, v. not having as much. If Bill Gates
>>>>>> decides that he wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for
>>>>>> dinner, he doesn't have to stop and think about whether or not he
>>>>>> can afford it the way that I do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these things.
>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable, and we
>>>>>> lead productive and full lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>> George Washington Carver
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>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one
>>>>>> sitting I can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes
>>>>>> I know all the answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion that
>>>>>> you take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to
>>>>>> compare yourself with what you might have been. In the first
>>>>>> place, you don't know what you might have been. I might be angry
>>>>>> because my Dad was the owner of a successful construction
>>>>>> business which I could have run and might be far better off
>>>>>> financially than I am now. Without sight, I can't run the heavy
>>>>>> equipment so perhaps I should be angry. Because I am blind, I
>>>>>> traveled a different road, went to college, got a degree, and
>>>>>> work as a computer programmer. That college experience introduced
>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to a
>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at home.
>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question
>>>>>> without an answer. I have to make of my life what is possible,
>>>>>> without spending too much time grieving about some alternative
future.
>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging one
>>>>>> has a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it,
>>>>>> but sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the
>>>>>> problem and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we
say it.
>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather than
>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of honor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things
>>>>>> hard which others find easy. They see computer screens and what
>>>>>> is wanted from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have
>>>>>> to often work pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where
>>>>>> I am on the screen.
>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but
>>>>>> the more important thing is that I figure it out and be
>>>>>> productive enough I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be
>>>>>> better countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the
>>>>>> majority are worse.
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with our
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with
>>>>>> training and equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest
>>>>>> to take that equipment and training and put it to a productive
>>>>>> use - preferably a use which will pay you. You will then pay
>>>>>> taxes, buy a home, support your local businesses, not to mention
>>>>>> Wal-Mart, and everyone wins.
>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around the
>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at
>>>>>> your situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the
>>>>>> same time determine how you can benefit from where you find
>>>>>> yourself. If you constantly live with the dream of driving the
>>>>>> car you once had, you'll be disappointed. If you live with the
>>>>>> dream of the dcar which may come to be if we who are blind work
>>>>>> together, then your sadness may just become a tool for hope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take it on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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