[Blindtlk] Inferioritycomplexwith disabilityvsnondisabledsociety

Thu Jun 3 13:52:03 UTC 2010

Yeah; traffic jams seem to bother the sighted inordinately. I confess that I 
don't get that, either. Crank up the stereo or fire up your ham radio and 
have at it in air-conditioned (or heated) comfort! What's the big deal about 
getting stuck in traffic for an hour? I figure I'm in pretty good company, 
i.e., traveling with me, myself and I. Only trouble would be that this 
wouldn't entitle me to be in the car-pool lane! (har)

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferioritycomplexwith 
disabilityvsnondisabledsociety

> You are certainly right about that Mike.  If it were only the blind who 
> used/needed  the public transit, there wouldn't be any at all. There 
> simply aren't enough of us in one place.
>
> You are also right about some people choosing not to drive. We have two 
> employees here, both of whom own cars, yet they choose not to drive 
> downtown to work.  I must admit, it is quite a bit more than I am able to 
> comprehend. If I had a car and the ability to drive , I certainly wouldn't 
> be  trudging through the rain and the snow and the heat riding busses. 
> "Ain't no way!" But they choose to do it for whatever reason.
>
> It really takes all kinds.
>
>
> Diane Graves
> Civil Rights Specialist
> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> 317-232-2647
>
> "It is service that measures success."
> George Washington Carver
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:05 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferioritycomplexwith 
> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>
> AS a matter of fact, those who focus on the lack of public transportation 
> as
> being one of the problems of blindness are, while correct, only partially
> so. Anyone who cannot drive is subject to the vagaries of public
> transportation. Neither my grandma nor my natural mother ever drove so as 
> a
> little kid, busses it was.
>
> Of course, implicit in all this is the underlying belief that any sighted
> person can drive if he/she wants to. With respect, that's false. I know
> plenty of sighted folks who either choose not to drive or who have medical
> restrictions that keep them from doing so.
>
> Would I like to be able to drive? Sure! But about the only time I'm ever
> sorry about it is when my girlfriend and I pull our travel trailer long
> distances and I can't help her by spelling her. But them's the breaks.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferioritycomplexwith
> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>
>
>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>
>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for everything.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>
>>
>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is 
>>> adequate
>>> public transportation!
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>
>>>
>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it is
>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some areas
>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually all
>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get hired and
>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia Pacific or
>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government layoffs as
>>>> well.
>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be done.
>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion that
>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as independent
>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There are
>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging them is
>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and I've
>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to is
>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for a
>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that Auburn's
>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet blind
>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a social
>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have ran
>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about it.
>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much? Initially
>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize they is a
>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to suit
>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology field,
>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There is this
>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that stuff.
>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I might
>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that blind
>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some have
>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both make good
>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I know
>>>>> that
>>>>> I
>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it not for
>>>>> being
>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people than
>>>>> most,
>>>>> and
>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly hard work
>>>>> and
>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They then
>>>>> expected
>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>>>
>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at the 
>>>>> same
>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can 
>>>>> prioritize
>>>>> your
>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down) and 
>>>>> deal
>>>>> with
>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the hardest
>>>>> thing
>>>>> for
>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at something. I 
>>>>> keep
>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them badly.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>>>
>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who will
>>>>> teach
>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be blind,
>>>>> had
>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful, and
>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I recently
>>>>> read
>>>>> by
>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS
>>>>> systems.
>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. The book
>>>>> is
>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael is a
>>>>> guy
>>>>> who
>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to succeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're doing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>
>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>> List'"
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply be
>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are 
>>>>>> advantages
>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates decides that 
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he doesn't have
>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the way that 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these things.
>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,  and we lead
>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>> George Washington Carver
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>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one sitting 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know all the
>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion that you
>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to compare
>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, you don't
>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad was 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have run 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without sight, I
>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry. Because I
>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a degree,
>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience introduced
>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to a
>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at home.
>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question without an
>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without spending
>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging one has
>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, but
>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the problem
>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we say it.
>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather than
>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of honor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things hard
>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is wanted
>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to often work
>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the 
>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but the
>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive enough
>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be 
>>>>>> better
>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority are
>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with our
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with training 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take that
>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use - preferably a
>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home, support
>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone wins.
>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around the
>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at your
>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the same time
>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If you
>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once had, 
>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which may 
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may just
>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take it on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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