[Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disabilityvsnondisabledsociety

Thu Jun 3 20:37:12 UTC 2010

By spending more government money and by adding more time and energy
as a burden to a Lousiania school? This is what people have told me.
Point out the positives of why then? Why should I so that I talk to
blind professionals? I can do that right here and have already talked
to blind professionals. Who talks about free lunches? I know that
quote by the way. It's on the poster with a  fish eating another fish.
So, what? It shows that nobody in this country nor the world can go
beyond their arrogant posturing.

On 6/3/10, Gloria Whipple <fairyfoot at webband.com> wrote:
> You cannot expect a free lunch all of your life.
>
> Many of the people here have told you how to get help.
>
>
> Gloria Whipple
> Corrisponding secretary
> Inland Empire chapter
> nfb of WA
>
> cell number: 509-475-4993
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Peter Wolfe
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:09 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>
> How do you get around? You never had government assistance republican?
> Come on I can't believe this and if so you are a burden to your family
> or friends. We all must depend on others to an extent so this mocho
> thing isn't working on me bud. I'm originally from Texas the land of
> the rattle snakes and I can tell you your assuming a lot. What if you
> live in a largely rural area with very uneducated people? The people
> that you might think live just like you because your resources you
> take forgranted. I think it's an obligation by the government to give
> meaningful assistance to us. Look at VR counsulers for the most part
> they have secretaries that drive them around. You are crazed man
>
> On 6/3/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
>> You want to live where is no public transportation, that is certainly your
>> business.  Don't depend on the government to provide you with
>> transportation!!
>>
>> Steve
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>
>>
>>> Julie:
>>>
>>>
>>>   How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and I
>>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within their
>>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as well.
>>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see? Do
>>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause I
>>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has his
>>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives alive
>>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just saying.
>>>
>>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>>>
>>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for everything.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is
>>>>> adequate
>>>>> public transportation!
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it is
>>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some areas
>>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually all
>>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get hired and
>>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia Pacific or
>>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government layoffs as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be done.
>>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion that
>>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as independent
>>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There are
>>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging them is
>>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and I've
>>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to is
>>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>>>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for a
>>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that Auburn's
>>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet blind
>>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a social
>>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have ran
>>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about it.
>>>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much? Initially
>>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize they is a
>>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to suit
>>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology field,
>>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There is this
>>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that stuff.
>>>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I might
>>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
>>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that blind
>>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some have
>>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both make
> good
>>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I know
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it not
> for
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people than
>>>>>>> most,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly hard
> work
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They then
>>>>>>> expected
>>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
>>>>>>> prioritize
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down) and
>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the hardest
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at something. I
>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them
> badly.
>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who will
>>>>>>> teach
>>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be
> blind,
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful, and
>>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I recently
>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS
>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. The
> book
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael is a
>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to succeed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're doing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>>>> List'"
>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply be
>>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
>>>>>>>> advantages
>>>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates decides that
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he doesn't have
>>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the way that
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these
> things.
>>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,  and we
> lead
>>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
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>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one sitting
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know all
> the
>>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion that
> you
>>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to compare
>>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, you
> don't
>>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad was
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have run
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without sight, I
>>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry. Because
> I
>>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a
> degree,
>>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience
> introduced
>>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to a
>>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at
> home.
>>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question without
> an
>>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without spending
>>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging one
> has
>>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, but
>>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the
> problem
>>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we say
> it.
>>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather than
>>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of honor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things hard
>>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is wanted
>>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to often work
>>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the
>>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but the
>>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive
> enough
>>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority are
>>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with our
>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with training
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take that
>>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use - preferably a
>>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home, support
>>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone wins.
>>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around the
>>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at your
>>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the same time
>>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If you
>>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once had,
>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which may
>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may just
>>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take it
> on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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