[Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety

Fri Jun 4 00:31:03 UTC 2010

The guy is just lost.

Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at att.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority 
complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety

> The government checks are not ment to be lived off of for life.
> If you can't get a job, that's one thing, but we should at lease try.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>
>
>> How do you get around? You never had government assistance republican?
>> Come on I can't believe this and if so you are a burden to your family
>> or friends. We all must depend on others to an extent so this mocho
>> thing isn't working on me bud. I'm originally from Texas the land of
>> the rattle snakes and I can tell you your assuming a lot. What if you
>> live in a largely rural area with very uneducated people? The people
>> that you might think live just like you because your resources you
>> take forgranted. I think it's an obligation by the government to give
>> meaningful assistance to us. Look at VR counsulers for the most part
>> they have secretaries that drive them around. You are crazed man
>>
>> On 6/3/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>> You want to live where is no public transportation, that is certainly
>>> your
>>> business.  Don't depend on the government to provide you with
>>> transportation!!
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>
>>>
>>>> Julie:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and I
>>>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within their
>>>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as well.
>>>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see? Do
>>>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause I
>>>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has his
>>>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives alive
>>>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just saying.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for
>>>>> everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is
>>>>>> adequate
>>>>>> public transportation!
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it is
>>>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some
>>>>>>> areas
>>>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually all
>>>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get hired
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia Pacific
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government layoffs 
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>>>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be
>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion that
>>>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as independent
>>>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There are
>>>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging them
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and I've
>>>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to is
>>>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>>>>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for a
>>>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that Auburn's
>>>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet blind
>>>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a
>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have ran
>>>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about it.
>>>>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much?
>>>>>>> Initially
>>>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize they is
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to suit
>>>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology field,
>>>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There is
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that
>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>>>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I might
>>>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
>>>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that blind
>>>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some have
>>>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>>>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both make
>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I 
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it not
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people than
>>>>>>>> most,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly hard
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They then
>>>>>>>> expected
>>>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at the
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
>>>>>>>> prioritize
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down) and
>>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the hardest
>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at something. I
>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them
>>>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who 
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> teach
>>>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be
>>>>>>>> blind,
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful, and
>>>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I 
>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS
>>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. The
>>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael is 
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to
>>>>>>>> succeed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're
>>>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>>>>> List'"
>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply be
>>>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
>>>>>>>>> advantages
>>>>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates decides 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he doesn't
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the way
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these
>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,  and we
>>>>>>>>> lead
>>>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one
>>>>>>>>> sitting
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know all
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion that
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to compare
>>>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, you
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad was
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have run
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without sight, 
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry. 
>>>>>>>>> Because
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a
>>>>>>>>> degree,
>>>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience
>>>>>>>>> introduced
>>>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to a
>>>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at
>>>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question without
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without
>>>>>>>>> spending
>>>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging one
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, but
>>>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the
>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we say
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather than
>>>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of 
>>>>>>>>> honor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things
>>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is
>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to often
>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the
>>>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive
>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be
>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority are
>>>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with our
>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with training
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take that
>>>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use - preferably
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home,
>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone wins.
>>>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around the
>>>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at 
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the same
>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If you
>>>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once had,
>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which may
>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may 
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take it
>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>> Webmaster
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