[Blindtlk] inferiority complex???

Fri Jun 4 02:15:22 UTC 2010

This one seems to be in the right place.

Ron

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???

> We can't read what you have posted since your replies are at the bottom of
> your e-mail messages.  Have someone fix your e-mail.
>
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
>
>
>> You guys don't read anything that I have posted and what is the poing.
>>
>> On 6/3/10, Elizabeth Campbell <batescampbell at charter.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Marty!
>>>
>>> That's great you are exhibiting at the convention. I like seeing people
>>> whether blind or sighted use their ingenuity and make  the best of their
>>> situations.
>>>
>>> Where is your company located? Also, will you have your coffees for sale
>>> in
>>> Dallas??
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Liz Campbell
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Marty James" <blindamp at q.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:34 AM
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am not sure what the big deal is, I lost my leg and my eyes at the 
>>>>same
>>>>time and said how can I use this to my advantage...
>>>> I was a graphic designer when I went blind so there is a little
>>>> adjusting
>>>> but I came up with a plan. I am now the owner of a company called The
>>>> Blind Bean and I sell some of the best coffee beans in the country from
>>>> all over the world. In fact, I am exhibiting at the NFB Convention this
>>>> year, I hope you come by and see me!!
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
>>>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/10, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Peter:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It strikes me that you're having a whale of a good time thinking of
>>>>>> things a
>>>>>> blind person *cannot* do. Tell me: do you really enjoy sitting on 
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> posterior all day crying: "Woe is me?" Snap out of it. Were you to
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the NFB convention in Dallas, I bet I could introduce you to two or
>>>>>> three
>>>>>> farmers (which is two or three more farmers who are blind than 
>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>> ones
>>>>>> I know) and one of the members of the Board of Directors was a derry
>>>>>> farmer
>>>>>> for some time and may still do a bit of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stop thinking of what blind folks *can't* do and start thinking: 
>>>>>> "What
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> *I* going to do with my life? What am I interested in? How much time,
>>>>>> effort
>>>>>> and energy am I willing to put into that interest?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grab the world by the short hairs and tell it who's boss!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:25 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
>>>>>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and I
>>>>>>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within their
>>>>>>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see? Do
>>>>>>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause I
>>>>>>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has his
>>>>>>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives alive
>>>>>>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just 
>>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for
>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is
>>>>>>>>> adequate
>>>>>>>>> public transportation!
>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some
>>>>>>>>>> areas
>>>>>>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually
>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get 
>>>>>>>>>> hired
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia
>>>>>>>>>> Pacific
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government 
>>>>>>>>>> layoffs
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>>>>>>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be
>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion 
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as
>>>>>>>>>> independent
>>>>>>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and
>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>>>>>>>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for 
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that
>>>>>>>>>> Auburn's
>>>>>>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet
>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a
>>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have
>>>>>>>>>> ran
>>>>>>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>>>>>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>>>>>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much?
>>>>>>>>>> Initially
>>>>>>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize they
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to
>>>>>>>>>> suit
>>>>>>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology
>>>>>>>>>> field,
>>>>>>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There is
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that
>>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>>>>>>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>>>>>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I
>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
>>>>>>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that 
>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some have
>>>>>>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>>>>>>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>>>>>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both 
>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> most,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly 
>>>>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They
>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>> expected
>>>>>>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
>>>>>>>>>>> prioritize
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down)
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the
>>>>>>>>>>> hardest
>>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at something.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them
>>>>>>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> teach
>>>>>>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be
>>>>>>>>>>> blind,
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I
>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS
>>>>>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. 
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to
>>>>>>>>>>> succeed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're
>>>>>>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk 
>>>>>>>>>>> Mailing
>>>>>>>>>>> List'"
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
>>>>>>>>>>>> advantages
>>>>>>>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates decides
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the way
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these
>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,  and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> lead
>>>>>>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
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>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>>>>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one
>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know
>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to
>>>>>>>>>>>> compare
>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, you
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have
>>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without
>>>>>>>>>>>> sight,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because I
>>>>>>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a
>>>>>>>>>>>> degree,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience
>>>>>>>>>>>> introduced
>>>>>>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at
>>>>>>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question
>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without
>>>>>>>>>>>> spending
>>>>>>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging
>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the
>>>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we
>>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather
>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of
>>>>>>>>>>>> honor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things
>>>>>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is
>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to often
>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be
>>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with
>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with
>>>>>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take that
>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use -
>>>>>>>>>>>> preferably
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home,
>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> wins.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the same
>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once had,
>>>>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which
>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may
>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>>>>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>> Webmaster
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> Webmaster
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>>>>>
>>>>> If you read all of my posts you would understand that I am not making
>>>>> up excuses. I have as an attestament to that being an individual not
>>>>> as a group. I want to brainstorm with people Mike. Do you understand?
>>>>> What are you guys's reading comprehension? I'm wondering cause I've
>>>>> not stayed on the excuse bit just merely introduced my unique problems
>>>>> to you. However. on here people are  mis informed on what I said.
>>>>>    I know that blind people have done programming and such. I want to
>>>>> know how they began that is all. I want updated practices like I have
>>>>> mentioned getting in contact with AFB Mentors on this same post. I
>>>>> have posted a second thread as well. Dude if you can't understand that
>>>>> I can't see how any of you got degrees seriously. I asked specific
>>>>> questions posted by blind professions with no answers on specifics to
>>>>> get started and understanding realistic approaches to complicated
>>>>> problems. Why can't you guys understand this?
>>>>>
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