[Blindtlk] inferiority complex???

Fri Jun 4 13:48:03 UTC 2010

Kurig sells a basket capsule for loading your own coffee.  We grind our
own beans of our preferred brand and flavors and rarely use the Kurig
k-cups.
Paul

"making the cross accessible"
Paul Weingartner
National Representative for the Blind
Director of
Center for the Blind of the Assemblies of God
P 417.831.1964   F 417.862.5120
www.blind.ag.org
www.blindonline.ag.org

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Constance Canode
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:41 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???

Hi Marty,

Congratulations on your business.  I have one question for you.  I 
have a Kurig brewer that takes the K-cups.  Is there any chance you 
might be able to use those?  If not, I still may order coffee anyway, 
as I do have a small French press that I use when I really want 
something extra special.  However, those K-cups are wonderful.  As a 
true coffee addict, having a shot of caffeine in less than 30 seconds 
is a treat.  I wish you lots of good luck.

Connie Canode
At 07:58 AM 6/3/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Marty!
>
>That's great you are exhibiting at the convention. I like seeing people
>whether blind or sighted use their ingenuity and make  the best of
their
>situations.
>
>Where is your company located? Also, will you have your coffees for
sale in
>Dallas??
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>
>Liz Campbell
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marty James" <blindamp at q.com>
>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:34 AM
>Subject: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
>
>
> >I am not sure what the big deal is, I lost my leg and my eyes at the
same
> >time and said how can I use this to my advantage...
> > I was a graphic designer when I went blind so there is a little
adjusting
> > but I came up with a plan. I am now the owner of a company called
The
> > Blind Bean and I sell some of the best coffee beans in the country
from
> > all over the world. In fact, I am exhibiting at the NFB Convention
this
> > year, I hope you come by and see me!!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
> > complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> >
> >
> >> On 6/2/10, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> >>> Peter:
> >>>
> >>> It strikes me that you're having a whale of a good time thinking
of
> >>> things a
> >>> blind person *cannot* do. Tell me: do you really enjoy sitting on
your
> >>> posterior all day crying: "Woe is me?" Snap out of it. Were you to
come
> >>> to
> >>> the NFB convention in Dallas, I bet I could introduce you to two
or
> >>> three
> >>> farmers (which is two or three more farmers who are blind than
sighted
> >>> ones
> >>> I know) and one of the members of the Board of Directors was a
derry
> >>> farmer
> >>> for some time and may still do a bit of it.
> >>>
> >>> Stop thinking of what blind folks *can't* do and start thinking:
"What
> >>> am
> >>> *I* going to do with my life? What am I interested in? How much
time,
> >>> effort
> >>> and energy am I willing to put into that interest?"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Grab the world by the short hairs and tell it who's boss!
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:25 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
> >>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Julie:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and
I
> >>>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within
their
> >>>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as
well.
> >>>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see?
Do
> >>>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause
I
> >>>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has
his
> >>>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives
alive
> >>>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just
saying.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
> >>>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for
> >>>>> everything.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Julie
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
> >>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
> >>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there
is
> >>>>>> adequate
> >>>>>> public transportation!
> >>>>>> Steve
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
> >>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come
it is
> >>>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed?
Some
> >>>>>>> areas
> >>>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around
virtually all
> >>>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get
hired
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia
Pacific
> >>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government
layoffs
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>> well.
> >>>>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about
an
> >>>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can
be
> >>>>>>> done.
> >>>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion
that
> >>>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as
independent
> >>>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much.
There are
> >>>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging
them
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and
I've
> >>>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down
to is
> >>>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
> >>>>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away
for a
> >>>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that
Auburn's
> >>>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet
blind
> >>>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't
a
> >>>>>>> social
> >>>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I
have ran
> >>>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is
about it.
> >>>>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
> >>>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
> >>>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much?
> >>>>>>> Initially
> >>>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize
they is
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to
suit
> >>>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology
field,
> >>>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There
is
> >>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do
that
> >>>>>>> stuff.
> >>>>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't
know
> >>>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
> >>>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I
might
> >>>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is
computer
> >>>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that
blind
> >>>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some
have
> >>>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
> >>>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
> >>>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both
make
> >>>>>>>> good
> >>>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that
I
> >>>>>>>> know
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were
it not
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> being
> >>>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people
than
> >>>>>>>> most,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly
hard
> >>>>>>>> work
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They
then
> >>>>>>>> expected
> >>>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on
at the
> >>>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
> >>>>>>>> prioritize
> >>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all
down) and
> >>>>>>>> deal
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the
hardest
> >>>>>>>> thing
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail.
It
> >>>>>>>> doesn't
> >>>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at
something. I
> >>>>>>>> keep
> >>>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of
them
> >>>>>>>> badly.
> >>>>>>>> It's
> >>>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some
who
> >>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>> teach
> >>>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to
be
> >>>>>>>> blind,
> >>>>>>>> had
> >>>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy,
successful, and
> >>>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I
> >>>>>>>> recently
> >>>>>>>> read
> >>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing
GPS
> >>>>>>>> systems.
> >>>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful.
The
> >>>>>>>> book
> >>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that
Michael is
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> guy
> >>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to
> >>>>>>>> succeed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how
you're
> >>>>>>>> doing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>>>>> On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
> >>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
> >>>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk
Mailing
> >>>>>>>> List'"
> >>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
> >>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Peter,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would
simply be
> >>>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to
being
> >>>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
> >>>>>>>>> advantages
> >>>>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates
decides
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> he
> >>>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he
doesn't
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the
way
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> do.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of
these
> >>>>>>>>> things.
> >>>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,
and we
> >>>>>>>>> lead
> >>>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
> >>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
> >>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> >>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> >>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
> >>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
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> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
> >>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability
vs
> >>>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one
> >>>>>>>>> sitting
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I
know all
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion
that
> >>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to
compare
> >>>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place,
you
> >>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my
Dad was
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could
have run
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without
sight,
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry.
> >>>>>>>>> Because I
> >>>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got
a
> >>>>>>>>> degree,
> >>>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience
> >>>>>>>>> introduced
> >>>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and
to a
> >>>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed
at
> >>>>>>>>> home.
> >>>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question
without
> >>>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without
> >>>>>>>>> spending
> >>>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
> >>>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems.
Acknowledging one
> >>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it,
but
> >>>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating
the
> >>>>>>>>> problem
> >>>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way
we say
> >>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather
than
> >>>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of
> >>>>>>>>> honor.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many
things
> >>>>>>>>> hard
> >>>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what
is
> >>>>>>>>> wanted
> >>>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to
often
> >>>>>>>>> work
> >>>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on
the
> >>>>>>>>> screen.
> >>>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me,
but
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be
productive
> >>>>>>>>> enough
> >>>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may
be
> >>>>>>>>> better
> >>>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the
majority are
> >>>>>>>>> worse.
> >>>>>>>>> In
> >>>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract
with our
> >>>>>>>>> people.
> >>>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with
training
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take
that
> >>>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use -
preferably
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home,
> >>>>>>>>> support
> >>>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone
wins.
> >>>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying
around the
> >>>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look
at
> >>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the
same
> >>>>>>>>> time
> >>>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself.
If you
> >>>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once
had,
> >>>>>>>>> you'll
> >>>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar
which may
> >>>>>>>>> come
> >>>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness
may
> >>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops
and
> >>>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to
take it
> >>>>>>>>> on.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>
> >> If you read all of my posts you would understand that I am not
making
> >> up excuses. I have as an attestament to that being an individual
not
> >> as a group. I want to brainstorm with people Mike. Do you
understand?
> >> What are you guys's reading comprehension? I'm wondering cause I've
> >> not stayed on the excuse bit just merely introduced my unique
problems
> >> to you. However. on here people are  mis informed on what I said.
> >>    I know that blind people have done programming and such. I want
to
> >> know how they began that is all. I want updated practices like I
have
> >> mentioned getting in contact with AFB Mentors on this same post. I
> >> have posted a second thread as well. Dude if you can't understand
that
> >> I can't see how any of you got degrees seriously. I asked specific
> >> questions posted by blind professions with no answers on specifics
to
> >> get started and understanding realistic approaches to complicated
> >> problems. Why can't you guys understand this?
> >>
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