[Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
David Evans
drevans at bellsouth.net
Fri Jun 4 13:16:37 UTC 2010
Dear Julie and All,
You are so right.
After I went away for training I did learn better skills that I could apply
right away.
Luck for me that I had good examples, from other NFB members, o set the pace
for me.
I have no useable vision now and I still cross any intersection in the
County. I often need to cross the intersection of two 6 lane roads, Glades
Road and State Road 7, in western Boca Raton. These are roads that each
have a meridians, duel left turn lanes and all four corners, Right on Red
lanes at all four corners and see an average of 62, 000 cars a day.
I have to cross it in 2 directions just to go to and from the bus stop and
the 4 shopping centers that are there. I also have to cross State Road 7
again after I walk a mile up the side walk to get back or from my home as
there is only side walk on one side of State Road 7 here.
I encourage anyone to go and do what you need to do in the shortest amount
of time you can so you can get on with your life.
I put it off for years for one reason or another and now regret that. In
the words of Larry the Cable Guy, "Getter done!"
David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> In answer to the question of why it is important to go away for blindness
> training...
>
> Because there is a lot of things to learn. The most concise comprehensive
> way to get good quality training is to go to a residential program. There
> are three operated by the NFB all very good, but there are state programs
> and others that are excellent as well.
>
> You can get all the basics in approximately 9 months by working on it all
> day every day. If you work on learning all that through a correspondence
> school like Hadley, a home based vocational rehabilitation program or by
> trial and error yourself, it could take years and years. It just makes
> sense to me to invest the time up front and get on with living.
>
> You will learn skills like how to travel all sorts of places by yourself
> using only a white cane and your common sense. You will learn how to use
> a
> computer, read and write Braille, cook, clean, match clothes, challenge
> your
> thinking about blindness and so much more. I can't begin to list
> everything
> here.
>
> The best thing about blindness training at a really good program, like one
> of the NFB centers, is that they teach you to problem solve and work
> through
> things on your own. You will be taught basic skills and then you will be
> asked to use those skills in all sorts of different ways to work through
> all
> sorts of different situations. For example, I was taught how to cross a
> street and then I used that basic knowledge and applied it to all sorts of
> different types of street crossings. I didn't have to be taught each
> individual crossing, only the basic principles that can be applied to any
> situation.
>
> Just my own thoughts and experiences. Take what you like and disregard
> the
> rest.
>
> Julie
>
>
> riginal Message -----
> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>
>
>> Love thy neighbor right? You guys aren't hearing me about anything.
>> Why is it important to go some school in another state spending
>> government money to go to? I see a bunch of blind people doing things
>> of what average order? Come on I'm asking the question here so answer
>> me then? You keep dodging my questions left and right and where ever
>> else. I could careless for your attitude for carelessness. You wonder
>> why services and things are not accessible? boom right there.
>>
>> On 6/3/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Peter, I could care less where you live or don't live. Your
>>> situation
>>> is not going to impact my life in the least. Individuals on this list
>>> are
>>> offering you suggestions and some great advice. The world is going to
>>> continue turning whatever you decide to do or not to do with your
>>> life!!!
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>
>>>
>>>> How do you get around? You never had government assistance republican?
>>>> Come on I can't believe this and if so you are a burden to your family
>>>> or friends. We all must depend on others to an extent so this mocho
>>>> thing isn't working on me bud. I'm originally from Texas the land of
>>>> the rattle snakes and I can tell you your assuming a lot. What if you
>>>> live in a largely rural area with very uneducated people? The people
>>>> that you might think live just like you because your resources you
>>>> take forgranted. I think it's an obligation by the government to give
>>>> meaningful assistance to us. Look at VR counsulers for the most part
>>>> they have secretaries that drive them around. You are crazed man
>>>>
>>>> On 6/3/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>> You want to live where is no public transportation, that is certainly
>>>>> your
>>>>> business. Don't depend on the government to provide you with
>>>>> transportation!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:25 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and I
>>>>>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within their
>>>>>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see? Do
>>>>>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause I
>>>>>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has his
>>>>>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives alive
>>>>>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just saying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for
>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is
>>>>>>>> adequate
>>>>>>>> public transportation!
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some
>>>>>>>>> areas
>>>>>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get hired
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it like Goergia
>>>>>>>>> Pacific
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government layoffs
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>> Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>>>>>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be
>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion that
>>>>>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as
>>>>>>>>> independent
>>>>>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>>>>>>>>> About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for a
>>>>>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that
>>>>>>>>> Auburn's
>>>>>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet
>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a
>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have
>>>>>>>>> ran
>>>>>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>>>>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>>>>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much?
>>>>>>>>> Initially
>>>>>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize they
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to
>>>>>>>>> suit
>>>>>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology
>>>>>>>>> field,
>>>>>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There is
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that
>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>> I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>>>>>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>>>>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I
>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
>>>>>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that blind
>>>>>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some have
>>>>>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>>>>>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>>>>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both make
>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> most,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly hard
>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They
>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>> expected
>>>>>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
>>>>>>>>>> prioritize
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down)
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the
>>>>>>>>>> hardest
>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at something.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them
>>>>>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> teach
>>>>>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be
>>>>>>>>>> blind,
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I
>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS
>>>>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. The
>>>>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to
>>>>>>>>>> succeed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're
>>>>>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>>>>>>> List'"
>>>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>>>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
>>>>>>>>>>> advantages
>>>>>>>>>>> to having money, v. not having as much. If Bill Gates decides
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the way
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these
>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable, and we
>>>>>>>>>>> lead
>>>>>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>>>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one
>>>>>>>>>>> sitting
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to
>>>>>>>>>>> compare
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, you
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have
>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without
>>>>>>>>>>> sight,
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry.
>>>>>>>>>>> Because
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a
>>>>>>>>>>> degree,
>>>>>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience
>>>>>>>>>>> introduced
>>>>>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at
>>>>>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question
>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without
>>>>>>>>>>> spending
>>>>>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>>>>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, but
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the
>>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we
>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of
>>>>>>>>>>> honor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things
>>>>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is
>>>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to often
>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the
>>>>>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive
>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be
>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with
>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with
>>>>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take that
>>>>>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use -
>>>>>>>>>>> preferably
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home,
>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone
>>>>>>>>>>> wins.
>>>>>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the same
>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once had,
>>>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which
>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>>>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>> Webmaster
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