[Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
David Evans
drevans at bellsouth.net
Fri Jun 4 14:11:31 UTC 2010
Dear Peter,
There is a difference in the quality of Rehab services from place to place
and State to State. This is why the NFB worked to get the Freedom of Choice
provision placed in the Rehab Act.
A blind person, choosing to go for rehab training is very much like a high
school student facing the choice of a college or university to attend.
If your goal is to become an engineer, you might want to go to a school that
had a rep for turning out good engineers. If you want to be a lawyer, you
might pick a school that has a good law school rep like Harvard, Yale or
Stanford.
It should work the same way for rehab. You should have the choice in where
you choose to go to get the best you can for your rehab dollar.
Sometimes, the local rehab center is good enough and sometimes it isn't.
The NFB training centers are considered the best and most progressive in the
country and likely the World.
I know that I see the most competent and independent Blind people that have
graduated from them.
Florida's own former State President, Kathy Davis, has just recently gone
to the Louisiana center and returned and she did it because she wanted to
get better skills than she had and to learn how they teach there that is
different than how they do it at the Florida State center in Daytona, where
she lives and works as a counselor and full professor at Daytona Community
College.
She learned superior cane skills. She learned how to run a drill press and
table saw while wearing sleep shades. she learned how to rock climb and
prepare a meal, for 40 people and serve it all under sleep shades.
She was already very good before she went there, but now she knows that no
matter how much or how little vision she has, she can function and do
whatever she wants as a blind person.
There are always barriers that will get in your way, but your skills,
knowledge and attitude are the things that will give you the ability to go
over, under around or through them mo matter what your vision level is.
There are three things that everyone facing a disability needs to have.
They are a good positive attitude so that when life gives you lemons you
learn to make lemonade; turn those negatives in to positives. Second, they
need access to rehab training, adaptive equipment and information. Third,
they need to know someone else with that disability that knows more about
that disability than they do. This is why the NFB is so important and
provides the best examples, I am sure there are others of good competent
blind people, but I find the NFB to be full of them.
Seek out those who can help you and inspire you and ignore the others.
There will always be those who will drag you down in the mud and those who
will help you out of it.
Don't let the bad paint the good with the same brush. Pick your friends and
I hope that the members of the NFB can be among them.
David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer
Builder of the Lunar Rovers and the F-117 Stealth Fighter
Member of the 1968 U.S. Olympic team
Blind since the age of 16 due to RP., ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dewey Bradley" <dewey.bradley at att.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> no one is dodging your questions.
> They have been answered.
> I think that you just want to start a bunch of crap.
> If you would just listen to what people are saying to you, instead of
> getting aphended at everything, you would see that we are trying to help
> you.
> You come on this list and ask a question, when it gets answered, you get
> mad.
> I will pray for you, I really hope that you get it together.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>
>
>> Love thy neighbor right? You guys aren't hearing me about anything.
>> Why is it important to go some school in another state spending
>> government money to go to? I see a bunch of blind people doing things
>> of what average order? Come on I'm asking the question here so answer
>> me then? You keep dodging my questions left and right and where ever
>> else. I could careless for your attitude for carelessness. You wonder
>> why services and things are not accessible? boom right there.
>>
>> On 6/3/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Peter, I could care less where you live or don't live. Your
>>> situation
>>> is not going to impact my life in the least. Individuals on this list
>>> are
>>> offering you suggestions and some great advice. The world is going to
>>> continue turning whatever you decide to do or not to do with your
>>> life!!!
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>
>>>
>>>> How do you get around? You never had government assistance republican?
>>>> Come on I can't believe this and if so you are a burden to your family
>>>> or friends. We all must depend on others to an extent so this mocho
>>>> thing isn't working on me bud. I'm originally from Texas the land of
>>>> the rattle snakes and I can tell you your assuming a lot. What if you
>>>> live in a largely rural area with very uneducated people? The people
>>>> that you might think live just like you because your resources you
>>>> take forgranted. I think it's an obligation by the government to give
>>>> meaningful assistance to us. Look at VR counsulers for the most part
>>>> they have secretaries that drive them around. You are crazed man
>>>>
>>>> On 6/3/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>> You want to live where is no public transportation, that is certainly
>>>>> your
>>>>> business. Don't depend on the government to provide you with
>>>>> transportation!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:25 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and I
>>>>>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within their
>>>>>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see? Do
>>>>>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause I
>>>>>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has his
>>>>>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives alive
>>>>>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just saying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for
>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is
>>>>>>>> adequate
>>>>>>>> public transportation!
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some
>>>>>>>>> areas
>>>>>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get hired
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it like Goergia
>>>>>>>>> Pacific
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government layoffs
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>> Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about an
>>>>>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be
>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion that
>>>>>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as
>>>>>>>>> independent
>>>>>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>>>>>>>>> About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for a
>>>>>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that
>>>>>>>>> Auburn's
>>>>>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet
>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a
>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have
>>>>>>>>> ran
>>>>>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>>>>>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>>>>>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much?
>>>>>>>>> Initially
>>>>>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize they
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to
>>>>>>>>> suit
>>>>>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology
>>>>>>>>> field,
>>>>>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There is
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that
>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>> I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
>>>>>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>>>>>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I
>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
>>>>>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that blind
>>>>>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some have
>>>>>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>>>>>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>>>>>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both make
>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> most,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly hard
>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They
>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>> expected
>>>>>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
>>>>>>>>>> prioritize
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down)
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the
>>>>>>>>>> hardest
>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. It
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at something.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them
>>>>>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> teach
>>>>>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be
>>>>>>>>>> blind,
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I
>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS
>>>>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. The
>>>>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to
>>>>>>>>>> succeed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're
>>>>>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>>>>>>> List'"
>>>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to being
>>>>>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
>>>>>>>>>>> advantages
>>>>>>>>>>> to having money, v. not having as much. If Bill Gates decides
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the way
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these
>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable, and we
>>>>>>>>>>> lead
>>>>>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
>>>>>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one
>>>>>>>>>>> sitting
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to
>>>>>>>>>>> compare
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, you
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have
>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without
>>>>>>>>>>> sight,
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry.
>>>>>>>>>>> Because
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a
>>>>>>>>>>> degree,
>>>>>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience
>>>>>>>>>>> introduced
>>>>>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and to
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed at
>>>>>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question
>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without
>>>>>>>>>>> spending
>>>>>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>>>>>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, but
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the
>>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we
>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of
>>>>>>>>>>> honor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many things
>>>>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is
>>>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to often
>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the
>>>>>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, but
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive
>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may be
>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with
>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with
>>>>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take that
>>>>>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use -
>>>>>>>>>>> preferably
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home,
>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone
>>>>>>>>>>> wins.
>>>>>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the same
>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once had,
>>>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which
>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
>>>>>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>> Webmaster
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