[Blindtlk] inferiority complex???

Sat Jun 5 00:52:04 UTC 2010

I would love to help you out. What is your favorite coffee??
Marty
www.theblindbean.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Weingartner, Paul" <PWeingartner at ag.org>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???


> Kurig sells a basket capsule for loading your own coffee.  We grind our
> own beans of our preferred brand and flavors and rarely use the Kurig
> k-cups.
> Paul
>
> "making the cross accessible"
> Paul Weingartner
> National Representative for the Blind
> Director of
> Center for the Blind of the Assemblies of God
> P 417.831.1964   F 417.862.5120
> www.blind.ag.org
> www.blindonline.ag.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Constance Canode
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:41 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
>
> Hi Marty,
>
> Congratulations on your business.  I have one question for you.  I
> have a Kurig brewer that takes the K-cups.  Is there any chance you
> might be able to use those?  If not, I still may order coffee anyway,
> as I do have a small French press that I use when I really want
> something extra special.  However, those K-cups are wonderful.  As a
> true coffee addict, having a shot of caffeine in less than 30 seconds
> is a treat.  I wish you lots of good luck.
>
> Connie Canode
> At 07:58 AM 6/3/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi Marty!
>>
>>That's great you are exhibiting at the convention. I like seeing people
>>whether blind or sighted use their ingenuity and make  the best of
> their
>>situations.
>>
>>Where is your company located? Also, will you have your coffees for
> sale in
>>Dallas??
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>>Liz Campbell
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Marty James" <blindamp at q.com>
>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:34 AM
>>Subject: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
>>
>>
>> >I am not sure what the big deal is, I lost my leg and my eyes at the
> same
>> >time and said how can I use this to my advantage...
>> > I was a graphic designer when I went blind so there is a little
> adjusting
>> > but I came up with a plan. I am now the owner of a company called
> The
>> > Blind Bean and I sell some of the best coffee beans in the country
> from
>> > all over the world. In fact, I am exhibiting at the NFB Convention
> this
>> > year, I hope you come by and see me!!
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
>> > complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 6/2/10, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> >>> Peter:
>> >>>
>> >>> It strikes me that you're having a whale of a good time thinking
> of
>> >>> things a
>> >>> blind person *cannot* do. Tell me: do you really enjoy sitting on
> your
>> >>> posterior all day crying: "Woe is me?" Snap out of it. Were you to
> come
>> >>> to
>> >>> the NFB convention in Dallas, I bet I could introduce you to two
> or
>> >>> three
>> >>> farmers (which is two or three more farmers who are blind than
> sighted
>> >>> ones
>> >>> I know) and one of the members of the Board of Directors was a
> derry
>> >>> farmer
>> >>> for some time and may still do a bit of it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Stop thinking of what blind folks *can't* do and start thinking:
> "What
>> >>> am
>> >>> *I* going to do with my life? What am I interested in? How much
> time,
>> >>> effort
>> >>> and energy am I willing to put into that interest?"
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Grab the world by the short hairs and tell it who's boss!
>> >>>
>> >>> Mike
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:25 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
>> >>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Julie:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>   How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and
> I
>> >>>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within
> their
>> >>>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as
> well.
>> >>>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see?
> Do
>> >>>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause
> I
>> >>>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has
> his
>> >>>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives
> alive
>> >>>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just
> saying.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
>> >>>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for
>> >>>>> everything.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Julie
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>> >>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
>> >>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there
> is
>> >>>>>> adequate
>> >>>>>> public transportation!
>> >>>>>> Steve
>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>> >>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come
> it is
>> >>>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed?
> Some
>> >>>>>>> areas
>> >>>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around
> virtually all
>> >>>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get
> hired
>> >>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia
> Pacific
>> >>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government
> layoffs
>> >>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>> well.
>> >>>>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about
> an
>> >>>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can
> be
>> >>>>>>> done.
>> >>>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion
> that
>> >>>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as
> independent
>> >>>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much.
> There are
>> >>>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging
> them
>> >>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and
> I've
>> >>>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down
> to is
>> >>>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
>> >>>>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away
> for a
>> >>>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that
> Auburn's
>> >>>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet
> blind
>> >>>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't
> a
>> >>>>>>> social
>> >>>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I
> have ran
>> >>>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is
> about it.
>> >>>>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
>> >>>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
>> >>>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much?
>> >>>>>>> Initially
>> >>>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize
> they is
>> >>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to
> suit
>> >>>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology
> field,
>> >>>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There
> is
>> >>>>>>> this
>> >>>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do
> that
>> >>>>>>> stuff.
>> >>>>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't
> know
>> >>>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
>> >>>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I
> might
>> >>>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is
> computer
>> >>>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that
> blind
>> >>>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some
> have
>> >>>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
>> >>>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
>> >>>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both
> make
>> >>>>>>>> good
>> >>>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that
> I
>> >>>>>>>> know
>> >>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were
> it not
>> >>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>> being
>> >>>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people
> than
>> >>>>>>>> most,
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly
> hard
>> >>>>>>>> work
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They
> then
>> >>>>>>>> expected
>> >>>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on
> at the
>> >>>>>>>> same
>> >>>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
>> >>>>>>>> prioritize
>> >>>>>>>> your
>> >>>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all
> down) and
>> >>>>>>>> deal
>> >>>>>>>> with
>> >>>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the
> hardest
>> >>>>>>>> thing
>> >>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail.
> It
>> >>>>>>>> doesn't
>> >>>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at
> something. I
>> >>>>>>>> keep
>> >>>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of
> them
>> >>>>>>>> badly.
>> >>>>>>>> It's
>> >>>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some
> who
>> >>>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>> teach
>> >>>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to
> be
>> >>>>>>>> blind,
>> >>>>>>>> had
>> >>>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy,
> successful, and
>> >>>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I
>> >>>>>>>> recently
>> >>>>>>>> read
>> >>>>>>>> by
>> >>>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing
> GPS
>> >>>>>>>> systems.
>> >>>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful.
> The
>> >>>>>>>> book
>> >>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that
> Michael is
>> >>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>> guy
>> >>>>>>>> who
>> >>>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to
>> >>>>>>>> succeed.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how
> you're
>> >>>>>>>> doing.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>>>>>> On
>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
>> >>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>> >>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>> >>>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk
> Mailing
>> >>>>>>>> List'"
>> >>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
>> >>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Peter,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would
> simply be
>> >>>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to
> being
>> >>>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
>> >>>>>>>>> advantages
>> >>>>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates
> decides
>> >>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>> he
>> >>>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he
> doesn't
>> >>>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the
> way
>> >>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>> do.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of
> these
>> >>>>>>>>> things.
>> >>>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,
> and we
>> >>>>>>>>> lead
>> >>>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
>> >>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>> >>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> >>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> >>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>> >>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
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>> >>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
>> >>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability
> vs
>> >>>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one
>> >>>>>>>>> sitting
>> >>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I
> know all
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion
> that
>> >>>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to
> compare
>> >>>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place,
> you
>> >>>>>>>>> don't
>> >>>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my
> Dad was
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could
> have run
>> >>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without
> sight,
>> >>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry.
>> >>>>>>>>> Because I
>> >>>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got
> a
>> >>>>>>>>> degree,
>> >>>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience
>> >>>>>>>>> introduced
>> >>>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and
> to a
>> >>>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed
> at
>> >>>>>>>>> home.
>> >>>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question
> without
>> >>>>>>>>> an
>> >>>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without
>> >>>>>>>>> spending
>> >>>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
>> >>>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems.
> Acknowledging one
>> >>>>>>>>> has
>> >>>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it,
> but
>> >>>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating
> the
>> >>>>>>>>> problem
>> >>>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way
> we say
>> >>>>>>>>> it.
>> >>>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather
> than
>> >>>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of
>> >>>>>>>>> honor.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many
> things
>> >>>>>>>>> hard
>> >>>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what
> is
>> >>>>>>>>> wanted
>> >>>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to
> often
>> >>>>>>>>> work
>> >>>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on
> the
>> >>>>>>>>> screen.
>> >>>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me,
> but
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be
> productive
>> >>>>>>>>> enough
>> >>>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may
> be
>> >>>>>>>>> better
>> >>>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the
> majority are
>> >>>>>>>>> worse.
>> >>>>>>>>> In
>> >>>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract
> with our
>> >>>>>>>>> people.
>> >>>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with
> training
>> >>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take
> that
>> >>>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use -
> preferably
>> >>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home,
>> >>>>>>>>> support
>> >>>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone
> wins.
>> >>>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying
> around the
>> >>>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look
> at
>> >>>>>>>>> your
>> >>>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the
> same
>> >>>>>>>>> time
>> >>>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself.
> If you
>> >>>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once
> had,
>> >>>>>>>>> you'll
>> >>>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar
> which may
>> >>>>>>>>> come
>> >>>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness
> may
>> >>>>>>>>> just
>> >>>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops
> and
>> >>>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to
> take it
>> >>>>>>>>> on.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
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>> >> If you read all of my posts you would understand that I am not
> making
>> >> up excuses. I have as an attestament to that being an individual
> not
>> >> as a group. I want to brainstorm with people Mike. Do you
> understand?
>> >> What are you guys's reading comprehension? I'm wondering cause I've
>> >> not stayed on the excuse bit just merely introduced my unique
> problems
>> >> to you. However. on here people are  mis informed on what I said.
>> >>    I know that blind people have done programming and such. I want
> to
>> >> know how they began that is all. I want updated practices like I
> have
>> >> mentioned getting in contact with AFB Mentors on this same post. I
>> >> have posted a second thread as well. Dude if you can't understand
> that
>> >> I can't see how any of you got degrees seriously. I asked specific
>> >> questions posted by blind professions with no answers on specifics
> to
>> >> get started and understanding realistic approaches to complicated
>> >> problems. Why can't you guys understand this?
>> >>
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