[Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the Dark"
Ray Foret jr
rforetjr at comcast.net
Fri Mar 12 10:12:40 UTC 2010
Can you ever say that again. My floor loves me because I keep it nice and clean!!!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
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On Mar 12, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Gloria Whipple wrote:
> Ray,
>
> Your floor would probably listen to you better than Steve.
>
> What a crappy attitude!
>
>
> Gloria Whipple
> Corrisponding secretary
> Inland Empire chapter
> nfb of WA
>
> cell number: 509-475-4993
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 5:59 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the Dark"
>
> Okay, how about you give me a straight answer instead of what you actually
> said. YOu know as well as I do that it's attitudes like yours that do us
> more damage than anything. Yes, whether or not you admit it, it really does
> come down to what the sighted think of us. But, I'm done talking to you.
> Obviously, I'd make more progress talking to my floor.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>
>> Please don't blame it all on the attitudes of sighted individuals. This
> is not completely correct. You are being simplistic concerning this
> employment matter. It is so easy to take the easy way out of the issues
> concerning blind individuals and employment. There many factors to discuss.
>>
>> Steve
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 6:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the
> Dark"
>>
>>
>>> Steve, you need to understand that attitudes about blind people such as
> are indicated in that article are the reasons why we can't get jobs. It's
> blind people like you who help foster those attitudes and give us more work
> to do. Maybe you've had it easy all your life; but, I'll have you know that
> too many of us haven't. Why don't you give us a break and start helping us
> instead of putting out how much better you are than the rest of us. IF you
> have better ideas than the rest of us, why don't you tell us what they are?
> In the mean time, we've got to carry you on our backs and do your work for
> you because you won't.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>> E-Mail:
>>> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Give me a break, it is not. I'm blind and I'm not offended. You people
> need to find something more serious to worry about i.e., our president
> running the economy into the ditch!Steve
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the
> Dark"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Why not? It is exactly the same type of prejudicial attitude. The only
> difference is that, when it is directed at the blind, it is disguised and
> dripping with pity and unwanted sympathy and patronization.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is bias, prejudice, and discriminatory, No matter what the intent
> is. We should definitely go down the "race road." It is the same thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Diane Graves
>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>> 317-232-2647
>>>>>
>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>>>> George Washington Carver
>>>>>
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:21 PM
>>>>> To: Gary Wunder; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the
> Dark"
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the writer of that letter sounds very angry. That, also,
> turns
>>>>> sighted individuals off. Let's not go down the race road for our
> examples.
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder"
> <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the
> Dark"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You should be able to get it mailed to your e-mail address on file by
>>>>>> pressing pound 9.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Gwizdala"
> <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:54 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the
> Dark"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>> I tried to get a copy of the original article about which I wrote
> this
>>>>>>> letter to the editor; however, it was not available without paying a
> fee.
>>>>>>> The article can be accessed by going to NFB-Newsline and selecting
> the
>>>>>>> St.Petersburg Times Metro section. If anyone can get access to this
>>>>>>> article, please send it to the list. Pasted below is my letter to the
>>>>>>> editor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> March 11, 2010
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am writing to comment on the article "Awareness Was the
> Main
>>>>>>> Course" by Laura Reiley that appeared in the March 10 Metro section
> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> St. Petersburg times. As a blind person, I often meet people who are
>>>>>>> amazed by the fact that I can perform even the simplest of tasks.
>>>>>>> Generally this attitude is based on their own experience attempting
> to
>>>>>>> perform the same task without eyesight and failing at it miserably.
> It is
>>>>>>> for this reason that most blind people are opposed to using the type
> of
>>>>>>> simulation exercises featured in this article. Blindfolding a sighted
>>>>>>> person and asking them to perform even a simple task does not, as the
>>>>>>> article purports, give a person any awareness of what the life of a
> blind
>>>>>>> person is like. In fact, such exercises only serve to reinforce the
>>>>>>> misconceptions and promulgate the myths about blindness that create
> the
>>>>>>> social, legal, and economic barriers that prevent us from achieving
> true
>>>>>>> equality with our sighted peers. Those of us who are blind have
> developed
>>>>>>> an array of non-visual techniques to perform activities of daily
> living,
>>>>>>> such as eating, just as effectively as sighted people do using
> eyesight.
>>>>>>> Blindfolding a sighted person and asking them to perform a task is
> like
>>>>>>> putting someone in the cockpit of a jetliner and telling them to fly!
>>>>>>> Lacking the proper skills, the results of both would be disastrous!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The real problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight;
>>>>>>> rather it is the manner in which we are treated as the result of the
>>>>>>> misconceptions people have about blindness. If one really wants to
> find
>>>>>>> out what life is like for a blind person, there is no need to don a
>>>>>>> blindfold! All one needs to do is carry a white cane, the
> international
>>>>>>> symbol of blindness, and go about their everyday life. Then they
> would
>>>>>>> feel the crushing insults of public misperception that blind people,
>>>>>>> except for those few who are believed to be amazing and
> extraordinary,
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> innately ignorant and helpless. They would experience the waitress
> who
>>>>>>> asks a five year old what the blind adult wants to drink. They would
>>>>>>> encounter the librarian who admonishes them for going out alone, thus
>>>>>>> exposing them to the hazards of opening a door. They would be
> confronted
>>>>>>> by the Employer who inquires about who will bring them to work. They
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> learn that even well educated doctors are so ignorant as to ask them
> who
>>>>>>> bathes them! Though you might want to minimize these incidents away,
> they
>>>>>>> are examples of the type of ignorance I - and other blind people -
>>>>>>> encounter on a regular, almost daily, basis!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not asserting that eyesight is not beneficial nor that
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> work of the Foundation Fighting Blindness is not valuable. What
> concerns
>>>>>>> me is that organizations that assert they want to "serve the blind"
> do us
>>>>>>> such a disservice by reinforcing the public misconceptions and fears
> that
>>>>>>> create the problems we face. I am all for raising money to cure
> retinal
>>>>>>> degenerative diseases, especially since the condition that has caused
> my
>>>>>>> blindness, that of my 14-year-old nephew , and several other members
> of
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> family is retinitis Pigmentosa. I am, however, opposed to creating
> the
>>>>>>> type of fear and pity that results from blindfolding people for the
>>>>>>> purpose of raising money! Such a practice is as offensive to me as a
>>>>>>> black-faced minstrel would be to an African American! These
>>>>>>> misconceptions
>>>>>>> are the reason fewer than 10% of blind children are learning to read
> and
>>>>>>> write Braille, producing functionally illiterate blind adults. These
>>>>>>> fears
>>>>>>> and misconceptions are the reason that the unemployment rate among
> the
>>>>>>> blind is more than 70%!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The veracity of my concerns are supported by the numerous
>>>>>>> inaccurate statements made by the author who has bought into the
> false
>>>>>>> perceptions of the blind. Does she really believe that "other senses
> are
>>>>>>> heightened" by taking away one's sight or "; texture became
> paramount" as
>>>>>>> the result of simulated blindness? Does she really believe that
>>>>>>> blindfolding participants "gave all assembled a greater window into
> the
>>>>>>> world of the sightless"? Does she really believe that blind people go
>>>>>>> through life "bumbling" their ways around or did she just
> irresponsibly
>>>>>>> promulgate the pitiful stereotype in an effort to sell your
> newspapers
>>>>>>> like the Foundation Fighting Blindness did to sell themselves and
>>>>>>> selfishly generate revenue with no concern about the social
> consequences
>>>>>>> of their actions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The belief that blind people are endowed with heightened
>>>>>>> senses
>>>>>>> and special powers is a myth. Blind people simply learn to use their
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> senses and alternative techniques to perform the tasks sighted people
> do
>>>>>>> with eyesight. Like any skill, these techniques are generally not
>>>>>>> acquired
>>>>>>> in a half-hour nor mysteriously and supernaturally endowed. However,
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> skills enable blind people to function independently, efficiently,
> and
>>>>>>> effectively. In fact, the average blind person can perform the same
> tasks
>>>>>>> as their sighted peers as well, if not better, by employing these
>>>>>>> alternative techniques. Our blindness is not the problem. The real
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>> of blindness is the misunderstanding and lack of information that
> exists.
>>>>>>> If a blind person is given proper training and opportunity, blindness
> is
>>>>>>> only a physical nuisance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the future, when your paper is doing a story about
>>>>>>> blindness, it would be helpful to get accurate information and the
>>>>>>> perspective of a blind person who is qualified to speak to these
> issues
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> being chosen by the blind to speak on their behalf. The National
>>>>>>> Federation of the Blind is the oldest and largest organization of the
>>>>>>> blind in the United States. We are not an organization that speaks on
>>>>>>> behalf of the blind; we are the blind speaking for ourselves. For
>>>>>>> accurate
>>>>>>> information about blindness or the blind, please feel free to get in
>>>>>>> touch
>>>>>>> with me or visit one of our websites at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NFB.ORG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NFB-NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 813-598-7161
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> President at NFB-NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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