[Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the Dark"

Sun Mar 14 03:35:59 UTC 2010

Steve,

Personally, here is what I would do. Keep in mind that I have not yet
worked as a blind person. However, I have worked before, and I worked
while struggling with physical problems on some days from nerve
damage.

I would teach by example. Do my very best, show people that I can do
just as good )or better!) as they do, and not make my blindness an
issue. For alternative techniques, I would explain what I need (for
example, I might need to tour the building prior to my first day of
work) and why I need it (in this example, so that I get a good idea of
the layout of the building and don't waste work time learning basic
layout and getting utterly lost). If I bring a guide dog, I would
explain that my guide dog is a working dog, that s/he will stay
quietly out of the way when not working, and would explain how the
guide dog helps me get around faster and more efficiently, so I can
concentrate on work and not so much on walking.

I wouldn't do any roleplaying. I might use examples that people might
understand. For instance, if they ask why I need a tour of the
building, I wouldn't blindfold them and ask them to find their way
around. Instead, I would ask them if they didn't want a tour of the
building before working to get an idea of who works where, or around
their new house before buying it to get to know its layout. if they
said no, I would ask them how they learned the layout of the building,
and point out that it might have been more efficient to have a current
employee show them around the building or a real estate agent familiar
with the building to show around a new house.

Or say they ask what my cane does for me. I would explain that I use
my cane as an alternative to vision, that instead of pointing my eyes
at something like sighted people do, I point my cane at it to see it.

I hope this made sense. Essentially, I would try to explain my needs
in terms that would be understandable to them, whether they have
another disability or no, sighted or blind. But if they don't ask, I
would simply do my job the very best I could, and show them that my
blindness is neither a problem nor something to be afraid of.

~Jewel

On 3/13/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
> Here is a serious question for those on this list who do not agree with my
> opinion on this topic:
>
> How would you educate employers concerning the abilities of a blind person
> or persons with other disabilities.  Do you believe role playing has any
> part in the education process.  how would you educate a group of employers
> who no very little about individuals with disabilities.]
>
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aziza Cano" <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the Dark"
>
>
>> Because, perhaps he does have "more to worry about." You don't know a
>> thing
>> of what is going on in this person's life. Sometimes personal things take
>> precedence over the stupid things sighted people do to frustrate us. We
>> all
>> need to choose our battles, and apparently he has not chosen this one, get
>> over it.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 6:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the
>> Dark"
>>
>>
>>> How can you say that you "have more to worry about," when your very
>>> livelihood and dignity are constantly threatened by the attitudes of the
>>> sighted public?
>>>
>>>
>>> Diane Graves
>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> 317-232-2647
>>>
>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>> George Washington Carver
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 5:26 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the
>>> Dark"
>>>
>>> You are right, however, I have more important things to worry about.
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the
>>> Dark"
>>>
>>>
>>>> ANd why not?  It's the truth.  What we say is the truth whether anybody
>>>> likes it or not.  We're not some boring bunch of people who are all the
>>>> same in every way.  Sometimes, I think our so-called society is trying
>>>> to
>>>> make us all in to a bunch of homogenized bunch of people who are all the
>>>> same with no difference between any of us; just in case any differences
>>>> might be offensive to somebody.  Well, that's just too bad because
>>>> that's
>>>> not the way God made us.
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, I should have the article here shortly.
>>>>
>>>> When I do, I'll put it up  here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>
>>>> E-Mail:
>>>> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 11, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I believe the writer of that letter sounds very angry.  That, also,
>>>>> turns
>>>>> sighted individuals off.  Let's not go down the race road for our
>>>>> examples.
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder"
>>>>> <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the
>>>>> Dark"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You should be able to get it mailed to your e-mail address on file by
>>>>>> pressing pound 9.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Gwizdala"
>>>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:54 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the
>>>>>> Dark"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>   I tried to get a copy of the original article about which I wrote
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> letter to the editor; however, it was not available without paying a
>>>>>>> fee.
>>>>>>> The article can be accessed by going to NFB-Newsline and selecting
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> St.Petersburg Times Metro section. If anyone can get access to this
>>>>>>> article, please send it to the list. Pasted below is my letter to the
>>>>>>> editor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> March 11, 2010
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           I am writing to comment on the article "Awareness Was the
>>>>>>> Main
>>>>>>> Course" by Laura Reiley that appeared in the March 10 Metro section
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> St. Petersburg times. As a blind person, I often meet people who are
>>>>>>> amazed by the fact that I can perform even the simplest of tasks.
>>>>>>> Generally this attitude is based on their own experience attempting
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> perform the same task without eyesight and failing at it miserably.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> for this reason that most blind people are opposed to using the type
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> simulation exercises featured in this article. Blindfolding a sighted
>>>>>>> person and asking them to perform even a simple task does not, as the
>>>>>>> article purports, give a person any awareness of what the life of a
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> person is like. In fact, such exercises only serve to reinforce the
>>>>>>> misconceptions and promulgate the myths about blindness that create
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> social, legal, and economic barriers that prevent us from achieving
>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>> equality with our sighted peers. Those of us who are blind have
>>>>>>> developed
>>>>>>> an array of non-visual techniques to perform activities of daily
>>>>>>> living,
>>>>>>> such as eating, just as effectively as sighted people do using
>>>>>>> eyesight.
>>>>>>> Blindfolding a sighted person and asking them to perform a task is
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> putting someone in the cockpit of a jetliner and telling them to fly!
>>>>>>> Lacking the proper skills, the results of both would be disastrous!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           The real problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight;
>>>>>>> rather it is the manner in which we are treated as the result of the
>>>>>>> misconceptions people have about blindness. If one really wants to
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>> out what life is like for a blind person, there is no need to don a
>>>>>>> blindfold! All one needs to do is carry a white cane, the
>>>>>>> international
>>>>>>> symbol of blindness,  and go about their everyday life. Then they
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> feel the crushing insults  of public misperception that blind people,
>>>>>>> except for those few who are believed to be amazing and
>>>>>>> extraordinary,
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> innately ignorant and helpless. They would experience the waitress
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> asks a five year old what the blind adult wants to drink. They would
>>>>>>> encounter the librarian who admonishes them for going out alone, thus
>>>>>>> exposing them to the hazards of opening a door. They would be
>>>>>>> confronted
>>>>>>> by the Employer who inquires about who will bring them to work. They
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> learn that even well educated doctors are so ignorant as to ask them
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> bathes them! Though you might want to minimize these incidents away,
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> are examples of the type of ignorance I - and other blind people -
>>>>>>> encounter on a regular, almost daily, basis!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           I am not asserting that eyesight is not beneficial nor that
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> work of the Foundation Fighting Blindness is not valuable. What
>>>>>>> concerns
>>>>>>> me is that organizations that assert they want to "serve the blind"
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>> such a disservice by reinforcing the public misconceptions and fears
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> create the problems we face. I am all for raising money to cure
>>>>>>> retinal
>>>>>>> degenerative diseases, especially since the condition that has caused
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> blindness, that of my 14-year-old nephew , and several other members
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> family is retinitis Pigmentosa. I am, however, opposed to creating
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> type of fear and pity that results from blindfolding people for the
>>>>>>> purpose of raising money! Such a practice is as offensive to me as a
>>>>>>> black-faced minstrel would be to an African American! These
>>>>>>> misconceptions
>>>>>>> are the reason fewer than 10% of blind children are learning to read
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> write Braille, producing functionally illiterate blind adults. These
>>>>>>> fears
>>>>>>> and misconceptions are the reason that the unemployment rate among
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> blind is more than 70%!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           The veracity of my concerns are supported by the numerous
>>>>>>> inaccurate statements made by the author who has bought into the
>>>>>>> false
>>>>>>> perceptions of the blind. Does she really believe that "other senses
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> heightened" by taking away one's sight or "; texture became
>>>>>>> paramount"
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> the result of simulated blindness? Does she really believe that
>>>>>>> blindfolding participants "gave all assembled a greater window into
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> world of the sightless"? Does she really believe that blind people go
>>>>>>> through life "bumbling" their ways around or did she just
>>>>>>> irresponsibly
>>>>>>> promulgate the pitiful stereotype in an effort to sell your
>>>>>>> newspapers
>>>>>>> like the Foundation Fighting Blindness did to sell themselves and
>>>>>>> selfishly generate  revenue with no concern about the social
>>>>>>> consequences
>>>>>>> of their actions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           The belief that blind people are endowed with heightened
>>>>>>> senses
>>>>>>> and special powers is a myth. Blind people simply learn to use their
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> senses and alternative techniques to perform the tasks sighted people
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> with eyesight. Like any skill, these techniques are generally not
>>>>>>> acquired
>>>>>>> in a half-hour nor mysteriously and supernaturally endowed. However,
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> skills enable blind people to function independently, efficiently,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> effectively. In fact, the average blind person can perform the same
>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>> as their sighted peers as well, if not better, by employing these
>>>>>>> alternative techniques. Our blindness is not the problem. The real
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>> of blindness is the misunderstanding and lack of information that
>>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>>> If a blind person is given proper training and opportunity, blindness
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> only a physical nuisance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           In the future, when your paper is doing a story about
>>>>>>> blindness, it would be helpful to get accurate information and the
>>>>>>> perspective of a blind person who is qualified to speak to these
>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> being chosen by the blind to speak on their behalf. The National
>>>>>>> Federation of the Blind is the oldest and largest organization of the
>>>>>>> blind in the United States. We are not an organization that speaks on
>>>>>>> behalf of the blind; we are the blind speaking for ourselves. For
>>>>>>> accurate
>>>>>>> information about blindness or the blind, please feel free to get in
>>>>>>> touch
>>>>>>> with me or visit one of our websites at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NFB.ORG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NFB-NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 813-598-7161
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> President at NFB-NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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