[Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the Dark"
Aziza Cano
daydreamingncolor at gmail.com
Sun Mar 14 21:54:52 UTC 2010
Yes, and we each have our own ideas and thoughts concerning the struggles
we've gone through, and our attitudes aren't being called crapy for those
experiences or thoughts.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria Whipple" <fairyfoot at webband.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the Dark"
> So do others.
>
>
> Gloria Whipple
> Corrisponding secretary
> Inland Empire chapter
> nfb of WA
>
> cell number: 509-475-4993
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Aziza Cano
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 12:05 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the
> Dark"
>
> This is true, however, Steve is entitled to his thoughts and oppinions, he
> has probably dealt with his own fair share of blindness related struggles.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 4:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in the
> Dark"
>
>
>> You know guys and ladies, I have worked in the medical field for over 30
>> years. It is amazing all of the wonderful transplants that they are able
>> to perform. The pity is that they can't do a brain transplant. I can
>> think of a person or two who would benefit from it. Steve, your attitude
>> is absolutely appalling to me. I don't know you and I won't say any
>> more,
>
>> but most of us have had to work our butts off for what we have and
>> nothing
>
>> is easy unless we get extremely lucky.
>>
>> Connie Canode
>> At 04:12 AM 3/12/2010, you wrote:
>>>Can you ever say that again. My floor loves me because I keep it nice
>>>and
>
>>>clean!!!
>>>Sincerely,
>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>>E-Mail:
>>>rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>>
>>>On Mar 12, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Gloria Whipple wrote:
>>>
>>> > Ray,
>>> >
>>> > Your floor would probably listen to you better than Steve.
>>> >
>>> > What a crappy attitude!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Gloria Whipple
>>> > Corrisponding secretary
>>> > Inland Empire chapter
>>> > nfb of WA
>>> >
>>> > cell number: 509-475-4993
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> > On
>>> > Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
>>> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 5:59 PM
>>> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining
>>> in the Dark"
>>> >
>>> > Okay, how about you give me a straight answer instead of what you
>>> > actually
>>> > said. YOu know as well as I do that it's attitudes like yours that do
>>> > us
>>> > more damage than anything. Yes, whether or not you admit it, it
>>> really does
>>> > come down to what the sighted think of us. But, I'm done talking to
>>> > you.
>>> > Obviously, I'd make more progress talking to my floor.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sincerely,
>>> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> >
>>> > E-Mail:
>>> > rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>> >
>>> > On Mar 11, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Please don't blame it all on the attitudes of sighted individuals.
>>> >> This
>>> > is not completely correct. You are being simplistic concerning this
>>> > employment matter. It is so easy to take the easy way out of the
>>> > issues
>>> > concerning blind individuals and employment. There many factors
>>> to discuss.
>>> >>
>>> >> Steve
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr"
>>> >> <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>> >> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 6:36 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in
>>> >> the
>>> > Dark"
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Steve, you need to understand that attitudes about blind people such
>>> >>> as
>>> > are indicated in that article are the reasons why we can't get jobs.
>>> > It's
>>> > blind people like you who help foster those attitudes and give us more
>>> > work
>>> > to do. Maybe you've had it easy all your life; but, I'll have
>>> you know that
>>> > too many of us haven't. Why don't you give us a break and start
>>> > helping us
>>> > instead of putting out how much better you are than the rest of us.
>>> > IF
>
>>> > you
>>> > have better ideas than the rest of us, why don't you tell us what they
>>> > are?
>>> > In the mean time, we've got to carry you on our backs and do your work
>>> > for
>>> > you because you won't.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sincerely,
>>> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> E-Mail:
>>> >>> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mar 11, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Give me a break, it is not. I'm blind and I'm not offended. You
>>> >>>> people
>>> > need to find something more serious to worry about i.e., our president
>>> > running the economy into the ditch!Steve
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graves, Diane"
>>> >>>> <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>> >>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:48 PM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in
>>> >>>> the
>>> > Dark"
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Why not? It is exactly the same type of prejudicial attitude. The
>>> >>>>> only
>>> > difference is that, when it is directed at the blind, it is disguised
>>> > and
>>> > dripping with pity and unwanted sympathy and patronization.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> It is bias, prejudice, and discriminatory, No matter what the
>>> >>>>> intent
>>> > is. We should definitely go down the "race road." It is the same
>>> > thing.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Diane Graves
>>> >>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> >>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> >>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> >>>>> 317-232-2647
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>> >>>>> George Washington Carver
>>> >>>>>
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>>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> > On Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:21 PM
>>> >>>>> To: Gary Wunder; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in
>>> >>>>> the
>>> > Dark"
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I believe the writer of that letter sounds very angry. That,
>>> >>>>> also,
>>> > turns
>>> >>>>> sighted individuals off. Let's not go down the race road for our
>>> > examples.
>>> >>>>> Steve
>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder"
>>> > <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>> >>>>> To: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>; "Blind Talk Mailing
>>> >>>>> List"
>>> >>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:57 PM
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in
>>> >>>>> the
>>> > Dark"
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> You should be able to get it mailed to your e-mail address on
>>> >>>>>> file
>
>>> >>>>>> by
>>> >>>>>> pressing pound 9.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Gary
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Gwizdala"
>>> > <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>> >>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:54 AM
>>> >>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Letter to the Editor Concerning "Dining in
>>> >>>>>> the
>>> > Dark"
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Dear All,
>>> >>>>>>> I tried to get a copy of the original article about which I
>>> >>>>>>> wrote
>>> > this
>>> >>>>>>> letter to the editor; however, it was not available without
>>> >>>>>>> paying a
>>> > fee.
>>> >>>>>>> The article can be accessed by going to NFB-Newsline and
>>> >>>>>>> selecting
>>> > the
>>> >>>>>>> St.Petersburg Times Metro section. If anyone can get access to
>>> >>>>>>> this
>>> >>>>>>> article, please send it to the list. Pasted below is my letter
>>> >>>>>>> to
>
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> editor.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> >>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> March 11, 2010
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I am writing to comment on the article "Awareness Was
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> > Main
>>> >>>>>>> Course" by Laura Reiley that appeared in the March 10 Metro
>>> >>>>>>> section
>>> > of
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> St. Petersburg times. As a blind person, I often meet people who
>>> >>>>>>> are
>>> >>>>>>> amazed by the fact that I can perform even the simplest of
>>> >>>>>>> tasks.
>>> >>>>>>> Generally this attitude is based on their own experience
>>> >>>>>>> attempting
>>> > to
>>> >>>>>>> perform the same task without eyesight and failing at it
>>> >>>>>>> miserably.
>>> > It is
>>> >>>>>>> for this reason that most blind people are opposed to using the
>>> >>>>>>> type
>>> > of
>>> >>>>>>> simulation exercises featured in this article. Blindfolding a
>>> >>>>>>> sighted
>>> >>>>>>> person and asking them to perform even a simple task does not,
>>> >>>>>>> as
>
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> article purports, give a person any awareness of what the life
>>> >>>>>>> of
>
>>> >>>>>>> a
>>> > blind
>>> >>>>>>> person is like. In fact, such exercises only serve to reinforce
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> misconceptions and promulgate the myths about blindness that
>>> >>>>>>> create
>>> > the
>>> >>>>>>> social, legal, and economic barriers that prevent us from
>>> >>>>>>> achieving
>>> > true
>>> >>>>>>> equality with our sighted peers. Those of us who are blind have
>>> > developed
>>> >>>>>>> an array of non-visual techniques to perform activities of daily
>>> > living,
>>> >>>>>>> such as eating, just as effectively as sighted people do using
>>> > eyesight.
>>> >>>>>>> Blindfolding a sighted person and asking them to perform a task
>>> >>>>>>> is
>>> > like
>>> >>>>>>> putting someone in the cockpit of a jetliner and telling them to
>>> >>>>>>> fly!
>>> >>>>>>> Lacking the proper skills, the results of both would be
>>> >>>>>>> disastrous!
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> The real problem of blindness is not the lack of
>>> >>>>>>> eyesight;
>>> >>>>>>> rather it is the manner in which we are treated as the result of
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> misconceptions people have about blindness. If one really wants
>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> > find
>>> >>>>>>> out what life is like for a blind person, there is no need to
>>> >>>>>>> don
>
>>> >>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>> blindfold! All one needs to do is carry a white cane, the
>>> > international
>>> >>>>>>> symbol of blindness, and go about their everyday life. Then
>>> >>>>>>> they
>>> > would
>>> >>>>>>> feel the crushing insults of public misperception that blind
>>> >>>>>>> people,
>>> >>>>>>> except for those few who are believed to be amazing and
>>> > extraordinary,
>>> >>>>>>> are
>>> >>>>>>> innately ignorant and helpless. They would experience the
>>> >>>>>>> waitress
>>> > who
>>> >>>>>>> asks a five year old what the blind adult wants to drink. They
>>> >>>>>>> would
>>> >>>>>>> encounter the librarian who admonishes them for going out alone,
>>> >>>>>>> thus
>>> >>>>>>> exposing them to the hazards of opening a door. They would be
>>> > confronted
>>> >>>>>>> by the Employer who inquires about who will bring them to work.
>>> >>>>>>> They
>>> >>>>>>> would
>>> >>>>>>> learn that even well educated doctors are so ignorant as to ask
>>> >>>>>>> them
>>> > who
>>> >>>>>>> bathes them! Though you might want to minimize these incidents
>>> >>>>>>> away,
>>> > they
>>> >>>>>>> are examples of the type of ignorance I - and other blind
>>> >>>>>>> people -
>>> >>>>>>> encounter on a regular, almost daily, basis!
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I am not asserting that eyesight is not beneficial nor
>>> >>>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> work of the Foundation Fighting Blindness is not valuable. What
>>> > concerns
>>> >>>>>>> me is that organizations that assert they want to "serve the
>>> >>>>>>> blind"
>>> > do us
>>> >>>>>>> such a disservice by reinforcing the public misconceptions and
>>> >>>>>>> fears
>>> > that
>>> >>>>>>> create the problems we face. I am all for raising money to cure
>>> > retinal
>>> >>>>>>> degenerative diseases, especially since the condition that has
>>> >>>>>>> caused
>>> > my
>>> >>>>>>> blindness, that of my 14-year-old nephew , and several other
>>> >>>>>>> members
>>> > of
>>> >>>>>>> my
>>> >>>>>>> family is retinitis Pigmentosa. I am, however, opposed to
>>> >>>>>>> creating
>>> > the
>>> >>>>>>> type of fear and pity that results from blindfolding people for
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> purpose of raising money! Such a practice is as offensive to me
>>> >>>>>>> as a
>>> >>>>>>> black-faced minstrel would be to an African American! These
>>> >>>>>>> misconceptions
>>> >>>>>>> are the reason fewer than 10% of blind children are learning to
>>> >>>>>>> read
>>> > and
>>> >>>>>>> write Braille, producing functionally illiterate blind adults.
>>> >>>>>>> These
>>> >>>>>>> fears
>>> >>>>>>> and misconceptions are the reason that the unemployment rate
>>> >>>>>>> among
>>> > the
>>> >>>>>>> blind is more than 70%!
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> The veracity of my concerns are supported by the
>>> >>>>>>> numerous
>>> >>>>>>> inaccurate statements made by the author who has bought into the
>>> > false
>>> >>>>>>> perceptions of the blind. Does she really believe that "other
>>> >>>>>>> senses
>>> > are
>>> >>>>>>> heightened" by taking away one's sight or "; texture became
>>> > paramount" as
>>> >>>>>>> the result of simulated blindness? Does she really believe that
>>> >>>>>>> blindfolding participants "gave all assembled a greater window
>>> >>>>>>> into
>>> > the
>>> >>>>>>> world of the sightless"? Does she really believe that blind
>>> >>>>>>> people go
>>> >>>>>>> through life "bumbling" their ways around or did she just
>>> > irresponsibly
>>> >>>>>>> promulgate the pitiful stereotype in an effort to sell your
>>> > newspapers
>>> >>>>>>> like the Foundation Fighting Blindness did to sell themselves
>>> >>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>> selfishly generate revenue with no concern about the social
>>> > consequences
>>> >>>>>>> of their actions?
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> The belief that blind people are endowed with heightened
>>> >>>>>>> senses
>>> >>>>>>> and special powers is a myth. Blind people simply learn to use
>>> >>>>>>> their
>>> >>>>>>> other
>>> >>>>>>> senses and alternative techniques to perform the tasks sighted
>>> >>>>>>> people
>>> > do
>>> >>>>>>> with eyesight. Like any skill, these techniques are generally
>>> >>>>>>> not
>>> >>>>>>> acquired
>>> >>>>>>> in a half-hour nor mysteriously and supernaturally endowed.
>>> >>>>>>> However,
>>> >>>>>>> these
>>> >>>>>>> skills enable blind people to function independently,
>>> >>>>>>> efficiently,
>>> > and
>>> >>>>>>> effectively. In fact, the average blind person can perform the
>>> >>>>>>> same
>>> > tasks
>>> >>>>>>> as their sighted peers as well, if not better, by employing
>>> >>>>>>> these
>>> >>>>>>> alternative techniques. Our blindness is not the problem. The
>>> >>>>>>> real
>>> >>>>>>> problem
>>> >>>>>>> of blindness is the misunderstanding and lack of information
>>> >>>>>>> that
>>> > exists.
>>> >>>>>>> If a blind person is given proper training and opportunity,
>>> >>>>>>> blindness
>>> > is
>>> >>>>>>> only a physical nuisance.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> In the future, when your paper is doing a story about
>>> >>>>>>> blindness, it would be helpful to get accurate information and
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> perspective of a blind person who is qualified to speak to these
>>> > issues
>>> >>>>>>> by
>>> >>>>>>> being chosen by the blind to speak on their behalf. The National
>>> >>>>>>> Federation of the Blind is the oldest and largest organization
>>> >>>>>>> of
>
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> blind in the United States. We are not an organization that
>>> >>>>>>> speaks on
>>> >>>>>>> behalf of the blind; we are the blind speaking for ourselves.
>>> >>>>>>> For
>>> >>>>>>> accurate
>>> >>>>>>> information about blindness or the blind, please feel free to
>>> >>>>>>> get
>
>>> >>>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>> touch
>>> >>>>>>> with me or visit one of our websites at
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NFB.ORG
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Or
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NFB-NAGDU.ORG
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> 813-598-7161
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> President at NFB-NAGDU.ORG
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
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