[Blindtlk] inferiority complex???

Wed Sep 1 16:33:13 UTC 2010

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???

> Does the company carry K cups?
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marty James" <blindamp at q.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
>
>
> > Have you had a chance to check out the website? It is up and running,
> > ready
> > to take an order.
> > Marty James
> > www.TheBlindBean.com
> > Enjoy Your Java!
> >
> > Phone: 319-457-3582
> > Fax: 319-754-5226
> > E-mail: Marty at theblindbean.com
> >
> > 402 Center Street
> > Middletown, IA
> > 52638
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Elizabeth Campbell" <batescampbell at charter.net>
> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
> >
> >
> >> Hi Marty!
> >>
> >> That's great you are exhibiting at the convention. I like seeing people
> >> whether blind or sighted use their ingenuity and make  the best of 
> >> their
> >> situations.
> >>
> >> Where is your company located? Also, will you have your coffees for 
> >> sale
> >> in Dallas??
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Liz Campbell
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Marty James" <blindamp at q.com>
> >> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:34 AM
> >> Subject: [Blindtlk] inferiority complex???
> >>
> >>
> >>>I am not sure what the big deal is, I lost my leg and my eyes at the 
> >>>same
> >>>time and said how can I use this to my advantage...
> >>> I was a graphic designer when I went blind so there is a little
> >>> adjusting
> >>> but I came up with a plan. I am now the owner of a company called The
> >>> Blind Bean and I sell some of the best coffee beans in the country 
> >>> from
> >>> all over the world. In fact, I am exhibiting at the NFB Convention 
> >>> this
> >>> year, I hope you come by and see me!!
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
> >>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 6/2/10, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Peter:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It strikes me that you're having a whale of a good time thinking of
> >>>>> things a
> >>>>> blind person *cannot* do. Tell me: do you really enjoy sitting on 
> >>>>> your
> >>>>> posterior all day crying: "Woe is me?" Snap out of it. Were you to
> >>>>> come
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> the NFB convention in Dallas, I bet I could introduce you to two or
> >>>>> three
> >>>>> farmers (which is two or three more farmers who are blind than 
> >>>>> sighted
> >>>>> ones
> >>>>> I know) and one of the members of the Board of Directors was a derry
> >>>>> farmer
> >>>>> for some time and may still do a bit of it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Stop thinking of what blind folks *can't* do and start thinking: 
> >>>>> "What
> >>>>> am
> >>>>> *I* going to do with my life? What am I interested in? How much 
> >>>>> time,
> >>>>> effort
> >>>>> and energy am I willing to put into that interest?"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Grab the world by the short hairs and tell it who's boss!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:25 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority
> >>>>> complexwithdisabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Julie:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   How many blind people are farmers? I bet not even a percent and I
> >>>>>> bet they have firm rootxs from generation to generation within 
> >>>>>> their
> >>>>>> church. So, the family of massive wealth resources also helps as
> >>>>>> well.
> >>>>>> They grow their own food and can be able. How well can they see? Do
> >>>>>> they have a spouse or other relative nearby? I know of this cause I
> >>>>>> know someone in a simular situation with his own acrage and has his
> >>>>>> sister to help out tremendously. Not all of us have relatives alive
> >>>>>> anymore or if so aren't functionally able to do so. I am just 
> >>>>>> saying.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6/2/10, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> What happens to the blind people who want to be farmers?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just sayin' public transportation isn't the miracle cure for
> >>>>>>> everything.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Julie
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:06 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complexwith
> >>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You need to take responsibility and move to areas where there is
> >>>>>>>> adequate
> >>>>>>>> public transportation!
> >>>>>>>> Steve
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
> >>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If personal responsability was a mantra strong enough how come 
> >>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> that blind people in particilar are not gainfully employed? Some
> >>>>>>>>> areas
> >>>>>>>>> don't facilitate transportation and I have been around virtually
> >>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>> types of blind people. There is a good number that can't get 
> >>>>>>>>> hired
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> private companies in particilar go against it  like Goergia
> >>>>>>>>> Pacific
> >>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>> have halfway commitments like car plants. Then, government 
> >>>>>>>>> layoffs
> >>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> well.
> >>>>>>>>>    Another thing is that many legallly blind people post about 
> >>>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>>> almost completely blind prospective. Perhaps some of this can be
> >>>>>>>>> done.
> >>>>>>>>> However, I've ran across plenty of blind people in my opinion 
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> have people pick up after them. I mean that it's not as
> >>>>>>>>> independent
> >>>>>>>>> cause they don't want to be or people pity them too much. There
> >>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>> limitations even with the best accessability and acknowledging
> >>>>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> a good realistic approach. Then, my interests and dislikes and
> >>>>>>>>> I've
> >>>>>>>>> done that. I've researched these areas and what it boils down to
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> insecurity with being blind.
> >>>>>>>>>    About my local NFB branch. Since Mike Jones has been away for 
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> unknown set time to Hawaii to the last time I've heard that
> >>>>>>>>> Auburn's
> >>>>>>>>> NFB is nothing? It's mainly in bigger cities. How do you meet
> >>>>>>>>> blind
> >>>>>>>>> people then? The Program for Students with Disabilities isn't a
> >>>>>>>>> social
> >>>>>>>>> networking site unfortunately. It is okay via e-mail and I have
> >>>>>>>>> ran
> >>>>>>>>> into three blind people here just one has left and that is about
> >>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>    What would you do about choosing to change your major into
> >>>>>>>>> something with more creativity or teaching that you won't be
> >>>>>>>>> complained about doing cause they have already paid so much?
> >>>>>>>>> Initially
> >>>>>>>>> when I started college I wanted to be a lawyer but I realize 
> >>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>> is a
> >>>>>>>>> element of corruption and huge sin risks by word scrambling to
> >>>>>>>>> suit
> >>>>>>>>> your own agenda that I don't like at all. So, the psychology
> >>>>>>>>> field,
> >>>>>>>>> history and political science all weren't what I wanted. There 
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>> initative to get math and science students at Auburn to do that
> >>>>>>>>> stuff.
> >>>>>>>>>    I have to take calculus 1 and or calculus 2 but I don't know
> >>>>>>>>> neimith code. How logn do you think it could take someone with
> >>>>>>>>> virtually no experience to learn the basics for that course? I
> >>>>>>>>> might
> >>>>>>>>> just get a tutor though and do it that way. If there is computer
> >>>>>>>>> scientists on the list just e-mail me. I don't beleieve that 
> >>>>>>>>> blind
> >>>>>>>>> people have to do all of this calculus information like some 
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> fabricated though. Arrogance is hard to deal with supposedly
> >>>>>>>>> successful blind people. I owuld like to own my own company!
> >>>>>>>>> note: thanks to all of you
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 6/2/10, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Peter, I started to reply several times. Gary and Steve both 
> >>>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>>> good
> >>>>>>>>>> points. They said the things I wanted to say. Let me add that I
> >>>>>>>>>> know
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>> wouldn't have had the type of encouragement I have had were it
> >>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>> being
> >>>>>>>>>> blind. I have had the boone of meeting more successful people
> >>>>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>>>> most,
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> finding that they are willing to share their secrets (mostly 
> >>>>>>>>>> hard
> >>>>>>>>>> work
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> techniques that make sense once you learn them) with me. They
> >>>>>>>>>> then
> >>>>>>>>>> expected
> >>>>>>>>>> me to pass them on to others. I have learned to try my best.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You sound like a fellow who has a number of things going on at
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>>>>> time. Please don't try to solve them all at once. If you can
> >>>>>>>>>> prioritize
> >>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>> needs (it's hard, but it is the only way to get them all down)
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> deal
> >>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>> them one at a time, you can see some progress. I think the
> >>>>>>>>>> hardest
> >>>>>>>>>> thing
> >>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>> me to learn, and to explain is that it is acceptable to fail. 
> >>>>>>>>>> It
> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't
> >>>>>>>>>> mean that you are less of a person. Everyone fails at 
> >>>>>>>>>> something.
> >>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>> keep
> >>>>>>>>>> trying new things, and I do some of them well, and some of them
> >>>>>>>>>> badly.
> >>>>>>>>>> It's
> >>>>>>>>>> interesting to see which I learn the most from.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Find some blind people who you like in your area. Find some who
> >>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>> teach
> >>>>>>>>>> you the things that they do. None of us would have planed to be
> >>>>>>>>>> blind,
> >>>>>>>>>> had
> >>>>>>>>>> we a choice. Since we didn't, some of us are happy, successful,
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> satisfied with life anyway. As I write, I remember a book I
> >>>>>>>>>> recently
> >>>>>>>>>> read
> >>>>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>> a fellow named Mike May. Mike now runs Sendero Group, doing GPS
> >>>>>>>>>> systems.
> >>>>>>>>>> He's a nice guy, and I met him long before he was successful. 
> >>>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>> book
> >>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> called Crashing Through. I found it interesting in that Michael
> >>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> guy
> >>>>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>>> just never learned to fail. He failed until he found ways to
> >>>>>>>>>> succeed.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Don't know if this helps or not. Please let us know how you're
> >>>>>>>>>> doing.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>>>>>>> On
> >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:40 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
> >>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Garry makes some very good points indeed.
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: "'Gary Wunder'" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "'Blind Talk 
> >>>>>>>>>> Mailing
> >>>>>>>>>> List'"
> >>>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:04 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with
> >>>>>>>>>> disabilityvsnondisabledsociety
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Peter,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Gary makes some very good points here as well. It would simply
> >>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>> untrue for me to tell you that there are no advantages to 
> >>>>>>>>>>> being
> >>>>>>>>>>> sighted, or disadvantages to being blind. Just as there are
> >>>>>>>>>>> advantages
> >>>>>>>>>>> to having money, v. not  having as much. If Bill Gates decides
> >>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> he
> >>>>>>>>>>> wants to order a pizza on a Friday night for dinner, he 
> >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
> >>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>> to stop and think about whether or not he can afford it the 
> >>>>>>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>> do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The point is though, that there are ways around most of these
> >>>>>>>>>>> things.
> >>>>>>>>>>> We find those ways, most of them are not insurmountable,  and 
> >>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>> lead
> >>>>>>>>>>> productive and full lives.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Diane Graves
> >>>>>>>>>>> Civil Rights Specialist
> >>>>>>>>>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> >>>>>>>>>>> 317-232-2647
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "It is service that measures success."
> >>>>>>>>>>> George Washington Carver
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> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:25 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Inferiority complex with disability vs
> >>>>>>>>>>> nondisabledsociety
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Peter, you have asked many questions and I am certain in one
> >>>>>>>>>>> sitting
> >>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>> can't begin to response to them all. Even this assumes I know
> >>>>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> answers, which I most certainly do not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I throw out these ideas and observations with the suggestion
> >>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>> take what you like and leave the rest. It does no good to
> >>>>>>>>>>> compare
> >>>>>>>>>>> yourself with what you might have been. In the first place, 
> >>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>>>> know what you might have been. I might be angry because my Dad
> >>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> owner of a successful construction business which I could have
> >>>>>>>>>>> run
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> might be far better off financially than I am now. Without
> >>>>>>>>>>> sight,
> >>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>> can't run the heavy equipment so perhaps I should be angry.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Because I
> >>>>>>>>>>> am blind, I traveled a different road, went to college, got a
> >>>>>>>>>>> degree,
> >>>>>>>>>>> and work as a computer programmer. That college experience
> >>>>>>>>>>> introduced
> >>>>>>>>>>> me to good books, to different thoughts about the world, and 
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> tolerance of other people I'd never have gotten had I stayed 
> >>>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>> home.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Which life is the better? Unfortunately this is a question
> >>>>>>>>>>> without an
> >>>>>>>>>>> answer. I have to make of my life what is possible, without
> >>>>>>>>>>> spending
> >>>>>>>>>>> too much time grieving about some alternative future.
> >>>>>>>>>>> In your note you acknowledge a lot of problems. Acknowledging
> >>>>>>>>>>> one
> >>>>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>>>> a problem is often the first step on the road to solving it, 
> >>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes that acknowledgement is simply a way of stating the
> >>>>>>>>>>> problem
> >>>>>>>>>>> and the more we state it, the more we come to like the way we
> >>>>>>>>>>> say
> >>>>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>>> We grow accustomed to the burden of that problem, and rather
> >>>>>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>>>>> using our admission to solve it, we carry it like a badge of
> >>>>>>>>>>> honor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In my own work, I can tell you that blineness makes many 
> >>>>>>>>>>> things
> >>>>>>>>>>> hard
> >>>>>>>>>>> which others find easy. They see computer screens and what is
> >>>>>>>>>>> wanted
> >>>>>>>>>>> from them is obvious. I hear computer screens and have to 
> >>>>>>>>>>> often
> >>>>>>>>>>> work
> >>>>>>>>>>> pretty hard to figure out what is wanted and where I am on the
> >>>>>>>>>>> screen.
> >>>>>>>>>>> I can make a real case for how disadvantaged this makes me, 
> >>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> more important thing is that I figure it out and be productive
> >>>>>>>>>>> enough
> >>>>>>>>>>> I can bring home a pay check.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You talk about the country in which you were born. There may 
> >>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>> better
> >>>>>>>>>>> countries in which to be blind, but I am certain the majority
> >>>>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>>> worse.
> >>>>>>>>>>> In
> >>>>>>>>>>> your country you have the opportunity to make a contract with
> >>>>>>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>>>>>> people.
> >>>>>>>>>>> That contract says that we, all of us, will help you with
> >>>>>>>>>>> training
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> equipment if, in return, you will try your hardest to take 
> >>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> equipment and training and put it to a productive use -
> >>>>>>>>>>> preferably a
> >>>>>>>>>>> use which will pay you. You will then pay taxes, buy a home,
> >>>>>>>>>>> support
> >>>>>>>>>>> your local businesses, not to mention Wal-Mart, and everyone
> >>>>>>>>>>> wins.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Winning isn't easy, but it is far easier than carrying around
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> anger for what you might have been if only you had tried.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Take your anger and, if you can, turn it into resolve. Look at
> >>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>> situation, acknowledge there are disadvantages, and at the 
> >>>>>>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>>>>>> time
> >>>>>>>>>>> determine how you can benefit from where you find yourself. If
> >>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>> constantly live with the dream of driving the car you once 
> >>>>>>>>>>> had,
> >>>>>>>>>>> you'll
> >>>>>>>>>>> be disappointed. If you live with the dream of the dcar which
> >>>>>>>>>>> may
> >>>>>>>>>>> come
> >>>>>>>>>>> to be if we who are blind work together, then your sadness may
> >>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>> become a tool for hope.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I wish you all the luck in the world, and where luck stops and
> >>>>>>>>>>> personal responsibility begins, I wish you the courage to take
> >>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>> on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Peter
> >>>>>>>>> Webmaster
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>> Webmaster
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> >>>> If you read all of my posts you would understand that I am not making
> >>>> up excuses. I have as an attestament to that being an individual not
> >>>> as a group. I want to brainstorm with people Mike. Do you understand?
> >>>> What are you guys's reading comprehension? I'm wondering cause I've
> >>>> not stayed on the excuse bit just merely introduced my unique 
> >>>> problems
> >>>> to you. However. on here people are  mis informed on what I said.
> >>>>    I know that blind people have done programming and such. I want to
> >>>> know how they began that is all. I want updated practices like I have
> >>>> mentioned getting in contact with AFB Mentors on this same post. I
> >>>> have posted a second thread as well. Dude if you can't understand 
> >>>> that
> >>>> I can't see how any of you got degrees seriously. I asked specific
> >>>> questions posted by blind professions with no answers on specifics to
> >>>> get started and understanding realistic approaches to complicated
> >>>> problems. Why can't you guys understand this?
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